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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-20-2006, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
 
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could installing a t56 be this simple?

i just read an article in the august issue of mm&ff about insalling d&d performance's t56 kit into an 05-06 mustang. they used a viper spec t-56, with there trick bellhousing and LS1 powered GTO t56 tailhousing that relocates the shifter back pretty close to where we need it for an mn-12. if the bellhousing bolt pattern is the same for the 3 valve 4.6 as the 2&4 valve engines (pretty sure it is) than this would work. What im going to look into is this,,, if the viper t56 will accept the gto t56 tailhousing,,, will the cobra t56 also accept the gto tailhousing? this would eliminate the need for d&d performance or mcleod's trick bellhousing (there like $500!!!) as the cobra t56 would allready bolt to any 4.6 block. im not worrying about the driveshaft lenght,, it will need to be moddified anyway, or the hydro clutch setup,, its this shifter situation that i think steers everyone away from trying to install a manual tranny. any feedback on this idea,,, anyone???
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been talked about a few times already, do a search and you'll find out that someone is actually in the process of doing just that...well at least i think they still are...

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im pretty sure that person was going to use the ls1 camero t56, still leaves you with buying an aftermarket bellhousing
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and the 03-04 Cobra trans wont work why?




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jemorganiii youre right... it is a LS1 tranny, G.O. it would work but you would still need to relocate the shifter a bit back like the t-45, whereas the ls1 and viper tranny have their shifters a bit more back

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the 03-04 cobra t56 wont work becouse the shifter, like every other mustang tranny, is too far forward for our cars, same dimensions as the t-45. the tailhousing on the ls1 is about4-5 inches farther back,,, this is the reason the idea sprang up to use the ls1 t56 for our application but i beleive its still alittle short. the problem i have with that is the imput shaft of the ls1 t56 is a few millimeters off, might not be an issue but i like to have everything perfect. now, when gm came out with the gto, they ran into the same issue we have with our cars,, the location for the shifter is too far back to use any of the availible manual trannys. to solve the problem, they use what looks like the ls1 tailhousing, but the shifter used is sitting on a plastic base that moves the shifter back an additional 4 inches, making it more suited for our cars. this way is probably still pretty pricey,, but now we may be able to use the 03-04 cobra t56, mate it to a gto tailshaft and use the gto shifter and have perfect shifter location. i dont know about any of you, but im going to stop collecting parts for the t-45 swap and start saving for the t56 swap using this method.
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i just read an article in the august issue of mm&ff about insalling d&d performance's t56 kit into an 05-06 mustang. they used a viper spec t-56, with there trick bellhousing and LS1 powered GTO t56 tailhousing that relocates the shifter back pretty close to where we need it for an mn-12. if the bellhousing bolt pattern is the same for the 3 valve 4.6 as the 2&4 valve engines (pretty sure it is) than this would work. What im going to look into is this,,, if the viper t56 will accept the gto t56 tailhousing,,, will the cobra t56 also accept the gto tailhousing? this would eliminate the need for d&d performance or mcleod's trick bellhousing (there like $500!!!) as the cobra t56 would allready bolt to any 4.6 block. im not worrying about the driveshaft lenght,, it will need to be moddified anyway, or the hydro clutch setup,, its this shifter situation that i think steers everyone away from trying to install a manual tranny. any feedback on this idea,,, anyone???
I have done business with D&D before (got my T-45 & my latest clutch from them). They are good people to work with. I got a copy of MM&FF & read the article. From what I can tell this could work in our cars. I checked with D&D & they said the GTO shifter puts the shifter location about 6" further back than where the standard T-45 is which makes it perfect for the MN12 platform. The bell housing bolts right up to the 4.6 in our cars & you can use the hydraulic T/O bearing for the 05 Mustang. The only issue you may have is the speedometer output but D&D might be able to address that. The only drawback is the price (over 5 grand)
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I have done business with D&D before (got my T-45 & my latest clutch from them). They are good people to work with. I got a copy of MM&FF & read the article. From what I can tell this could work in our cars. I checked with D&D & they said the GTO shifter puts the shifter location about 6" further back than where the standard T-45 is which makes it perfect for the MN12 platform. The bell housing bolts right up to the 4.6 in our cars & you can use the hydraulic T/O bearing for the 05 Mustang. The only issue you may have is the speedometer output but D&D might be able to address that. The only drawback is the price (over 5 grand)
Or you could wait until the 07 Shelby GT500 is actually on the streets & see if the 6 speed from it is available through Ford
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ive been pricing t56's on ebay for a few monthes now and the good news is that for some reason the 03-04 cobra t56's are the cheapest version out. ls1, gto and viper are all routinly more expencive. you can get a rebuilt t56 for a 03-04 cobra for about 1900, then get the gto tailhousing and your well on your way to a 6 speed tbird. i know its gonna be alittle pricey, but comming in well under that 5k price tag from d&d should be very doable.
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