so this t-56 swap into a 4.6L '94 bird LX "auto trans" will be quite a bit more work than the t-45 swap that only requires a shifter arm extension box if i want stock look. and The only custom pieces on the whole swap are the bracket to hold the slave on the trans, and the hydraulic line going between the master and slave.
i am going to get help from an ex-machanic but i want to have everything lined up so i can hopfully blow through this. if i at least know what i need i can talk with the mechanic and get started, i just dont want to get stuck and not have my car because i am missing some random part..
so i need for t-45 swap: cost about 900 for trans and i guess $$$ for parts
1)some kind of shifter extension box( sorry but i am a noob and dont know exactly what this is but i think i know what its function is, cant i fabricate the shifting stick so it will work or does that just make it so the throw is way too long, thus, thats what the shift ext. box is for right??) what shift extension box will work? do i need to get some used part or is this an aftermarket part?
2)custom bracket to hold Slave onto Trans ( I dont know what the "slave" is. This is just taking the hydrolic line from my auto trans and connecting it to new trans? )
3)hydrolic line from slave to master( is hydrolic line from auto trans to new trans?)
4) clutch petal assembly, which car should i try to get this out of or will just about any work?
5)clutch and flywheel, these arent included into the trans when i get it? Which one do i need, just the same parts from the car the t-45 trans came out of (t-45 came from 99 mustang..) or can it be another car
t-56 swap requires: i want to do this swap but at less then 2 Grand, 1100 for trans and maby 800 for parts( i have no clue)... i might go over 2 G's tho
1)whole clutch petal assembly from what cars will work?
2) clutch and flywheel, again, included with trans or not? if not then which ones do i need..
---below are parts John used, i dont know if i need all of these, i sure hope not because i am getting more confused and scared that i cant do this swap with the 6 speed that i want soo much..
3)odds and ends like the SpeedCal(just to get mph set correclty??), shifter arm, shifter ball, clutch master cylinder, lines etc...(ect includes??)
4)tranny mount and the shifter tunnel need to be fabbed, parts needed are: <<1>>pontiac tranny mount( something can be fabbed without buying that mount right?) <<2>>GTO shifter assembly on the T-56( or just that shifter extension box?)
John-"Both ended up to be pretty easy solutions. The shop just cut and welded on an older style pontiac tranny mount to the TBird crossmember. Looked and fit great. For the tunnel the guy had to cut about an inch or two forward on the tunnel for the shifter to come up and then made the SC tunnel cover fit perfectly over it. I had to trim the plastic console about and inch to make sure the shifter didn't hit the plastic. I think you can get buy without doing any of the tunnel/plastic cutting if you go with the GTO shifter assembly on the T-56 but I don't know how much that will set you back. I also got a used MarkVIII one piece shaft that the shop shortened and fit perfectly."
5) just any kind of fab to reinforce the firewall like john did. Do i need to do this on my car or is my firewall strong enoguh?
John-"I saw one more fabrication. I made a triangular plate to fit behind the Wilwood clutch master cylinder to help reinforce the firewall. I made 3 holes in it so the studs from the clutch pedal assembly to attach to and welded 2 studs on the plate for the wilwood master cylinder to attach to. That worked perfectly. Got the idea from someone on SCCOA since the firewall was really thin and they said that overtime with pushing in the clutch that the firewall starts to crack. This is on stock SC as well."
6) omg i hope these are parts that i dont need!!!
John-Here are some of my part numbers and prices:
MCL-260870R Disk Hubs $166.99
MCL-360048 Diaphram Pressure Plate 173.69
MCL-8750-06 Modular Bellhousing 374.39
MCL-1400-22 Hyd Throw-out Bearing 339.95
MCL-1429 Bearing Spacer 24.00
MCL-463200-28 Flywheel 280.95 *** This is for a 28oz balance (my engine is 28oz balance) and the shop made a mistake and got me a flywheel for a 351 so I had to get a new starter as well. You will not need to do this if you get the correct flywheel. I just kept it since my starter was original anyway so they replaced it with a 351 starter.
Used 98 Firebird T-56 $1000 plus
D&D Upgraded 3/4 shift fork, 3/4 steel spacers $159.00
Upgraded 5/6 gear main shaft and Tranny teardown/clean and inspection 900.00
Wilwood Master cylinder 260-1304 49.95
Pilot bearing 6202-2rsj 17.75 Just do a search on internet for who sells it.
Ford Pressure plate mounting/Dowel M6397a302 13.95
Ford clutch switch assembly 1c3z 11a152 aa 69.87
Reverse Light Harness 12117379 42.28
Driveshaft MarkViii 30.00 + 156.00 install ujoints, shorten and balance
Ujoints and balance weights 134.11
Speedcal 9910er 124.98 They said I wouldn't get the correct speed settings but the day I drove off I picked the code from their sheet for 4.11 gears to 2.73 original gears (I have 3.73 gears to whatever our original gear setting is) and the speed was almost perfect. I could probably use the code for 4.10 gear to 2.73 ratio to be perfect.
Shifter ball I think I paid around 60.00
Shifter arm I think the shop threw it in for free but it is the one that bends to the rear like a "Z"
Probably a few other odds and ends like fluids and hyd lines and bolts but I think that would be it besides all the Supercoupe parts you need to get used and then the tune which Lonnie can do. Hope this helps. I think the total comes closer to $4000 now that I look it all over. Moderators should use this as a sticky so that everyone can see it!"
John- "One other small modification I did was the Wilwood clutch mastercylinder rod does not come with the right connection for the SC clutch pedal. The rod is just threaded at the end. All I did was thread a female to female connector on the rod end and welded a SC clutch rod to the other end of the connector to mate with the clutch pedal. I actually had to shorten the Wilwood rod end (threaded area) before putting the connector on to get the right fit on the clutch pedal. I guess you can do it the other way around by test fitting the SC rod and cut that prior to welding it on the connector. Using the female to female connector give you some adjustability for rod length. You can get a $10.00 plastic SC clutch rod clip from ford to lock the pedal to the rod."
so the t-56 will work in the thunderbird... i know this is a 5.0 but what about the 4.6...
The same McCleod universal bellhousing with a different motor plate
That sounds soo much more complicated than the t-45 swap, but i am guessing i need to get many of thoes types of parts( not exactly same cauz its diff. transmission) for the t-45 also?
Hey guys, any help will be soo appricated, i am sorry i am soo noob. Any websites that have this info on there if you give me addy ill read up... thanks for any help and info i know thats a lot of reading above...