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4r70 question

alright i have the 4r70 in my 96 lx project. what im doing is a 5oh carbed swap and i was told to keep this tranny. now my question is there something to bypass the exlectronics of the tranny? turn it into an aod so to say?

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the 4.6 4R70W will not mate to a 302 block. You will either need an AOD, C4, C6, or 5.0L Explorer 4R70W or 3.8 4R70W. bauman makes a standalone brain for the 4R70W....




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mine is a 3.8 tranny

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alright i have the 4r70 in my 96 lx project. what im doing is a 5oh carbed swap and i was told to keep this tranny. now my question is there something to bypass the exlectronics of the tranny? turn it into an aod so to say?
Not really. Full manual valve body is the only idea I have.

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Darrin what are your views and experience on the stand alone aftermarket computers available like the bauman TCS, Compushift, Power Train Solutions and TCI units given that they are setup by a competent tuner. Personally I am hellbent on putting a 4r70w behind my carb 427 windsor but will end up with a manual valve body because of the headaches and ongoing problems that can occur with the computer not been set up right on the other hand if a suitable tune can be achieved the computer would be the way to go to get the most out of the tranny(maybye thiis is wishful thinking).
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I have never heard of anyone being happy with any of the aftermarket controllers. Particularly I hear about Bauman a lot.
To be completely honest though, I have never driven a car with any of them or messed with any of them. I am limited to repeating what I hear, but I have personally talked to more than a few people that have had these things. I saw one car up at Muncie Dragway that had a Bauman and he wasn't happy. We talked about doing a computer swap on his because he had a newer Cobra.

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Thanks, the only person I hear (again no personal experience on my part) that's had any luck with them is Lidio from Alternative Auto out East.
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hmm how hard would it be to change the valve body?

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just drop the pan and unbolt it.
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any specific one should i put it? would it shift like an aod then or would i have to manual it with the shifter

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Unless you get an aftermarket controller it would have to be a manual setup.

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alright how hard would it be to get it to work like factory just with a carbed motor? if im correct all i have to do is supply an rpm signal to the comp right?

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No, the ECU uses several inputs for the transmission. It isn't just one or two. You can start with the ignition signal, but the computer wants air charge temp, air conditioner clutch, brake on or off, engine coolant, MAF info, throttle position, and then the info from all of the sensors in and on the transmission. Its complicated
Trust me, this isn't easy. These are electronically controlled transmissions. They have no way built in to shift unless they are told how and when. Thats why the aftermarket controllers kinda suck and why any other option than full factory computer control sucks too.

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Way more than just an RPM signal is needed unless you only want second gear. Not only would some way of locking and unlocking the TC be needed, but commanding the shift solenoids to shift would be needed (the logic is pretty easy for that, but I wouldn't want to drive it more than just checking to see if there is an issue, a temp troubleshooting thing at most). It needs to lock and unlock the TC depending on the gear you are in, accelerating, decelerating, braking, shifting, getting ready to shift, etc.

AOD or a stand alone controller.

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