Porkchop buddy, you are WAY wrong. I sell those complete valve body kits too cheaply. Thats why you don't see me pushing them too hard. This isn't just some junk VB
that I simply slap a modded plate on. You cannot find that valve body in the Ford parts section. You can find just a small part of the parts I use there.
I really don't make enough money on these valve bodies to have this conversation again over, but lets not leave your comment about the price out there unanswered to fester. I show from between a technical loss to a minimal profit on these valve body kits and I don't hardly make any real gain on them either. I honestly lost money on the separator plate kits that I offered.
The only gain is a customer base for future sales.
Think about this.
I sold a sep plate kit for $50 and some people b!tched about that price even.
Here is what that takes. I have to scrap an old valve body to do it. I also supplied accumulator pistons, springs, caps, gaskets, and a filter. Then I have to package it all up and print a manual so that anyone can understand how to install it. I end up with well more than an hours work in it. Lets not even consider the parts, the paper and sleeve for the manual or any of the misc stuff. If you just look at the time and labor its not profitable on that alone. Its a technical loss right there. Add in the real expenses and its an actual loss. A negative number.
So to offset the actual cost I beg and I plead for cores back. I end up with about 1 in 20 that do that for me. THANK YOU!!! to those that were honerable enough to do that by the way. I then had to try to offer these with a core charge and people b!tched even more and wouldn't buy them. I have pretty much had to scrap the plate kits because of that.
I tried to offer something to help for practically nothing and I lost money. Not good business. I tried to have new plates laser cut but the expense does not justify it. If you want a plate kit then you are now forced to go buy the "one size fits all" kit that someone else offers that is based on a truck plate. I really can't do plate kits anymore with no other purchases.
Now I know that I am going to have to address my labor fees straight up front here. In my line of work you have to make a bare minimum of $50 per hour or you are losing money. I have utilities, phones, a computer, software, rent on the building, insurance, tool payments... All of the costs of running a business to cover. This is a business and its my sole means of support. I have to first support the business before I can make a dime. That is why the $50/hour labor minimum. And if you look around, thats cheap.
Take that sep plate kit above. I didn't even cover just the labor in that price really. Thats why its gone now.
I sell a valve body kit because people need these. I am not going to tell you how to do what I do. I worked long and hard to know what I know to do. I use J's stuff and then add my own parts and modifications to the mix. These work great. Ask anyone that has one.
I am not going to detail my internal modificatins. That is my stuff. If you want to learn what to do then I suggest you start buying scrap valve bodies and use them on your own car to learn what to do and what not to do. A lot of your changes will not be reversable. If you really want to learn whats what you do things that cause you to scrap a VB
when that new change doesn't work. Thus the need for several. Do all of that and then you can find out how to do some of it and maybe start your own sales on these. But let me warn you. its a real hassle to pull off. Someone will occasionally publicly say that you charge too much and you will have to defend your price.
So for fun, lets break the VB
kit down. I am giving you ACTUAL prices. You can check on that by asking Jason in the parts section.
I buy GOOD cores to work from. I don't want damaged rusty crap. Been there, done that too many times at too much end cost. At one point I bought a bunch of $40 cores and was only able to use less than half of them. Ask Alan or Lonnie. They had to listen to me carry on about it. I spent almost $1000 and got less than half of that in usable parts. Now I only buy from one place. They cost me an average of $70 shipped, but they are good stuff.
So, $70 for the core valve body. But wait theres more...
I disassemble every little piece and part of these valve bodies and clean and inspect everything. I have to scrap some of them for plates and springs. Because of that, my software has shown me that the core actually costs me an average of $90. Why do I have to srap a certain amount? Because you can't get those plates or springs from anywhere else.
So make that $90 for the core.
I end up with an average of 2 hours of cleaning and inspection per vb
. So the labor there is figured at $100. Even if I try to do several at a time to save cost it isn't an appreciable savings because I have to have clean bench space for all the little parts and to keep everything together in a way that insures no mistakes are made. The 2 hour per figure is figuring 2 at a time which is all I can really handle due to the complexity of these when they are fully apart and the space needed to do this in.
I have to run a solvent tank and heat up a parts washer for the second cleaning portion on the bigger stuff after it comes out of the solvent tank and then I bought this ultrasonic cleaning tank that cost a small fortune to take care of the rest to ensure clean happens every single time. I have to supply chemicals for that stuff too.
But lets leave those expenses out of it and include them in the labor rate like I explained above.
I end up with an average of half an hour on the modifications. Another $25.
It takes me between 15 minutes and a half an hour to reinstall all the valves and springs and work them after they are reinstalled make sure they are not stuck. So another $25 there.
At least 1/4 qt of Mercon V at $4 per qt is used, so $1 for that.
I have an average of $25 in internal parts for upgrades and replacements.
I have about $6 in gaskets.
I have $10 in the filter.
I have almost $20 in the accumulator pistons and caps.
I have between $5 and $30 in accumulator springs depending on the setup. So lets average that to $17.50
There is an average of $2 in misc parts like check ball kits with those little filters and replacements for damaged bolts or whatever.
Now, I have to take the time to talk to every individual customer to determine exactly what they need. That is no less than 15 minutes. So lets say $15 in time for that.
Then I have to print a manual $2
Box, tape and label. $3 stuff plus $10 labor combined on this and the manual.
I know I am forgetting something or several things, but hey lets look at what we have now and go with just that.
All parts and supplies =$145.50
Total average cost to produce=$320.50
And ask people, I was giving free shipping and had to stop that.
I sell these for an average of $250 and the above totals to more than $320. I had to add a $75 core charge to show a profit and I still have only had about 2 people return a core for that refund.
Think about it. The labor cost doesn't include profit. That labor cost is an expense. So after the addition of a core charge these show a technical profit of not quite $5. In fact, I honestly break about even for my time.
So to anyone, if you want to offer these and can do it properly then you are welcome to it. If they arer not up to my standards then you will definitely hear about it, Often. I am not going to tell you my personal modifications though so don't ask me. I took it upon myself to learn what I know. You would need to take on the time and expense to do that on your own as well.