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Placement of new tires on a car

I had to go get 2 tires replaced in the last month, warranty work.

Anyways, They asked if I wanted the 2 new tires on the back of the car. They have a little sheet on the counter explaining the new found phenomenon of putting them in the back rather than the front wheels (seems to be the traditional way, and the way I always did it). I declined to move them due to the directional wheels so both new tires are on one side.

Is this new tire placement rear vs. front new? Everyone I run with and know runs new tires on the front (drive wheels).

What are y'all thought? Discuss...

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Since when are the front tires the drive wheels?


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I think that was just bad wording. I think he meant the wheels that are used to grip through turns.

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When I change all 4 tires I burn through a set of rear tires and replace them only, by the time they are burned through for a second time it's time for a whole new set.

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I've got my newest tires on the rear (easier to recover from understeer is the idea), no issues so far.

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Since when are the front tires the drive wheels?
The fronts are the drive wheels because they are the ones you steer the car with; not because they are the wheels that propel the car. Like '96project-bird said just bad wording although I'm not sure what the proper term would be ...

Anyway, that's the reason you replace the fronts if you're only going to replace two tires. You want your traction to be on the wheels that direct the car.

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The reason you put the new tires on the rear is because of counter steering. If the back tires slide you have to steer the opposite direction of the skid. For some people this task can take a bit of thought or indecision. If the fronts slide you can immediately correct. Also it would seem to me if all the traction is in the front, this could actually drag the tires with less traction around. I've always driven ford vans at work and always put the new in the rear. They wear out front tires so fast that I don't ever rotate them.

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I had to go get 2 tires replaced in the last month, warranty work.

Anyways, They asked if I wanted the 2 new tires on the back of the car. They have a little sheet on the counter explaining the new found phenomenon of putting them in the back rather than the front wheels (seems to be the traditional way, and the way I always did it). I declined to move them due to the directional wheels so both new tires are on one side.

Is this new tire placement rear vs. front new? Everyone I run with and know runs new tires on the front (drive wheels).

What are y'all thought? Discuss...
You couldnt decide front or back so you put new tires on ONE SIDE of the car????

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Haha...I put them on one side because those are the wheels that needed tires replaced and I didn't care to pay to dismount and remount the tires. Flame if you will.

So the idea behind it as all about countersteer? I always learned to replace the fronts so they had traction to turn.

And thanks for backing me up TM...I don't know what to call it either!
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I always put the better tires in the rear as I know they're gonna wear out faster. as they do I rotate them to the front and let the still fresh front tires have fun in the back.


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I believe Costco will only put two new tires on the rear. No matter whether it's FWD or RWD. I've never heard of putting two new tires on the same side, that's a new one!

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And don`t forget to mount the wheels with the valve stem aligned to the yellow painted stud
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With regards to that... I wonder if there's a way to identify optimal stem/stud alignment for those of us who have replaced bearings/hubs (provided it even makes a difference)?

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I believe Costco will only put two new tires on the rear. No matter whether it's FWD or RWD. I've never heard of putting two new tires on the same side, that's a new one!
Exactly why I pointed that out. Any reputable shop would have NEVER put two new tires on one side of the car. Fronts, rears...... yea, but never one side.

I just put 2 new tires on my bird and they went on the rear. My reasoning....... I have some suspension work to do on the front of the car. Once that's done I'm getting 2 new fronts and an alignment. That being said, I usually put the new ones in the back of a RWD car(provided the fronts arent trashed, in that case replace all 4), in a FWD car I always did the opposite. Never failed me yet in 15 years of driving.

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Guys, it's wasn't the shops decision. All my tires have exceptional tread, they were replaced due to side wall blemishes. So rather than paying to change my directional wheels I just put the news where the "olds" came off. Y'all are arguing a point that is not the issue.

Again same side because that's where the issue was, no other reason. There are not bald tires on one side and drastically new tires on the other!

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So debate is: 2 new tires on front or 2 new tires on back? Give rationale.

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front for me, as those are the tires that steer the car.....sure you can steer with the go fast pedal, but thats not what this is about...in a emergency controlled situation, I would be using the brakes, and steering......knowing that my front tires are good to hold the traction.

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front for me, as those are the tires that steer the car.....sure you can steer with the go fast pedal, but thats not what this is about...in a emergency controlled situation, I would be using the brakes, and steering......knowing that my front tires are good to hold the traction.

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I agree with you two!

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With regards to that... I wonder if there's a way to identify optimal stem/stud alignment for those of us who have replaced bearings/hubs (provided it even makes a difference)?
If your tires are balanced, it will not make any difference.

As for tires placement ... when you rotate them ( like you should every so often ) .. they will last longer, and eventually the tire should make it to all 4 corners of the car before replacement is necessary. Unless of course they are directional tires.
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Rear for me I do steer with the skinny pedal. Plus I'd rather have traction because unless your on ice you will always have steering.

Now of days its easiest for shops to say front since the vast majority of vehicles are FWD and their rear wheel don't do much of anything.

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I wear tires evenly, The rear usually wear in the middle from attempting to accelerate too fast and the front wear on the sides from cornering. By the time I rotate them a couple times they need replaced.
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The LOGIC is that, in a panic situation, if you push the front tires too much, and the old ones start slipping - the car will go more or less straight. For your average driver, that's not a bad thing handling wise (not so good if he's coming up on a U-bend at $WAY_TOO_FAST off a mountain, though.)

With the FRONT new, the back will break free quicker, so the driver now has to steer out of a slide. Which, despite what movies like "Tokyo Drift" show, isn't always as easy as we wish (yah, most of the readers here probably mastered that in third grade. We're not quite exactly normal, if you hadn't noticed yet.)

BTW - Typical driver will panic and either see saw wildly, or just lock stiff and not be able to turn the wheel. So for most folks, it makes more sense (even on FWD) to keep the new ones on the rear.

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I saw a display on TV where it explained the rational of putting the new tires on the rear - regardless of FWD or RWD. It made good sense.

It had to do with emergency braking in inclement weather. Bald tires on the back would make the car fishtail and possibly lose control, where good tires would make the car stay much straighter. Makes sense, since the weight transfers to the front on hard braking.

Google it, there is bound to be something out there. It was from a tire company.

Put 'em on the back! And to the OP, definately take them off the one side, dont want the car leaning!

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For me it really depends on the application:

For a daily driver, simple commuter, I put new tires on the front because they:
1. Steers the car
2. Provides 80% (or so) of the stopping of said car
3. With new tread depth, reduces the chance of hydroplaning.

For performance driving:
Which ever ones wear out the first (usually the rears). But always keep good tires on the front.

On a side note: My Aspire's manual says to rotate the tires every 5,000 miles.

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Oversteer (back end coming around) = When the passenger is terrified
Understeer (front end “pushing”) = When the driver is terrified

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You really should always put new tires on the rear...if you hydroplane and lose rear traction you're just going to be along for the ride. Even though the front tires may steer the car, you do always want new tires on the rear.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-care...eartire-change There is a great 2.5 minute video on why new tires should always be on the rear. Enjoy!

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^^Yup! That's the video I was talking about. Good info.

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