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It's time for me to replace the rear tires on the Bird. The tires on it now are 6 years old and have about 1/16" tread left on them and are not very grippy anymore.

I was considering a 285/40/17 for a while because of the extra grip they'd offer, but after seeing pics of them sticking out, hearing about having to roll the fenders and the fact that they're about 1" too short made me change my mind to stick with 255/50/17.

I'm trying to decide between the Nitto Invo 100W and NT555.

The NT555 seems like a popular option, however I've read that they're rather loud. It is also a relatively dated design and I'm wondering if there are better choices for the money. The Invo 100W looks like one of Nitto's latest designs, and most reviews of them seem to be that they're grippy, quieter than the 555s, but that the treadwear is a little lacking.

Anyone have and insights or suggestions?

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The Invo rated eighth out of nine tires in a C&D test. Not a very impressive placing for such an expensive tire. You might want to look at some of the others in this test if you can find one in the size you're looking for...

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...to-invo-page-4

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Thanks for the link there Ron , Informative info there

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Looks like lots of good tires in that review, but it looks like the closest any of them come to the size I need is a 255/40/17... much too short for an MN12. I could go one of them in a 285-40, but that's still a little on the short side and I'm really uneasy about going so wide. At least without having seen it in person at this point.

Maybe I'll stick with the NT555 after all.

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I use 255/50/17's I've used INVO's but they are a bit soft. I'm currently using the other 2 NITTO options much like RaceCougar. I'm using 450's for rear tires and 555's for the front. Initially the 555's were on all 4 corners but no one stocks them so when I punctured one of my tires they were nice enough to warranty my other 555 on the same axle (rear) and get me a pair of 450's at no additional cost. I was concerned at first but they both grip about the same. Also I do very spirited driving FWIW.

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Thanks Chris, exactly the input I was looking for about the Nittos. Do you notice much difference between the 450 and 555?

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Looks like lots of good tires in that review, but it looks like the closest any of them come to the size I need is a 255/40/17... much too short for an MN12. I could go one of them in a 285-40, but that's still a little on the short side and I'm really uneasy about going so wide. At least without having seen it in person at this point.

Maybe I'll stick with the NT555 after all.
There are some pix of 285/40 tires in the Wheel Pix thread. Take some time and look through that thread, there are a lot of good ideas in it.

I run the NT05R's in a 285/40 on my car and they look amazing. I'd suggest them but you've got to have at least a 9" rim and a 10" would be even better.

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Thanks Chris, exactly the input I was looking for about the Nittos. Do you notice much difference between the 450 and 555?
Only visually, the 450's don't have as agressive of a sidewall as the 555 or INVO. However they grip exceptionally well. The 450's are also technically a M/S (mud/snow) High Performance Directional tire I'll be testing the M/S ability later this month. The INVO's are HORRIBLE in the snow. They all seem about the same in the rain and dry traction. INVO's, 555's, and 450's all are fairly quiet tires on most asphalt surfaces. However the INVO's SCREAM/HOWL on old concrete highways, the directional 450's and 555's make no such noises.

I chose INVO's years ago because I planned to rotate them, however they wore as I expected and required no rotations with my alignment specs. Now with two different directionals is be able to rotate forward/backward only instead of modified X as is preferred. No regrets. I may eventually switch to 450's on the front as well, but currently I'm satisfied.

Price wise they are all pretty close. INVO's are neat looking but required 40+ psi to avoid excessive sidewall flex. At 35 psi I feel none of that on the 450's or 555's. Also 450's are likely going to wear about the same as the 555's on the front with my tire barking shifts.

In order of soft to firm it is NT05's, 555R, INVO, 555, and 450.

I hope I've been helpful in your decision making process. Let me know what you end up with and don't forget to trim the excess material off of the upper control arm ball joint under the spindle to avoid rubbing.

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I run the NT05R's in a 285/40 on my car and they look amazing. I'd suggest them but you've got to have at least a 9" rim and a 10" would be even better.
Yeah, I've got 17x9s on the car so I could go that wide. The pics in the wheels thread is what got me second-guessing whether I liked the way they would look. If I ever make it out to one of the meets I hope to get a chance to see this size on someone's car in person - that will give me a much better perspective on whether or not I could handle the look should I ever want go that wide.

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I hope I've been helpful in your decision making process. Let me know what you end up with and don't forget to trim the excess material off of the upper control arm ball joint under the spindle to avoid rubbing.
Absolutely, like I said this is exactly what information I need to help me decide which to choose. I'm only replacing the rear tires this round; the fronts are 255/45 so they aren't hitting the ball joint bolt.

I'm going to go with the NT555s. It sounds like they're still a heck-of-a-tire, plus their tread pattern is extremely similar to what it's replacing (Firehawk Wide Oval).

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The best tires I've found were the BFG Gforce Sports.

Warm weather only tires, but excellent high speed cornering. Stiff as ....!

They are very limited sizes now, but I still have a set in 16" that I love.

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X2 on the BFG sports. Though I'm not too happy about how quickly they wear(not that I'm not to blame lol) And yes there need to be more damn sizes

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X2 on the BFG sports. Though I'm not too happy about how quickly they wear(not that I'm not to blame lol) And yes there need to be more damn sizes
When they dropped 15" wheels, I bought new wheels, lol.

I haven't found anything else even close; If you can wear them even, they make great "DOT approved slicks", lol.

Only the rears have a chance of being evenly worn with me driving... So it takes two sets to get a set of 'slicks'.

They're really nice for those hot, sticky summer days; there's some roads around here you can see both bumpers of your own car, the corners are so tight.

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Darn, if only they were 1" taller... I don't know, I'll think on it. I'm not looking for a pair of drag radials (yet)...

http://www.onlinetires.com/products/...2+98w+bsw.html

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Anyone have any experience with or thoughts on the Toyo Proxes TQ's?

I'm looking at a set in 315/35/18.


... yes, I plan on widening my rims to 10" to fit them.

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The Toyo Drag radials that I had would not hook worth a damn

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The Toyo Drag radials that I had would not hook worth a damn
I remember that. I think those were 255's?

The reason I'm looking at these is they're about the only tire I can find in that size (315/35/18").

I'm looking at these for street tires only. I found a thread on them at SCT Performance from 2009 with some good pix of them on a Stang (although they've got some ugly negative camber that he needs to fix.)

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...5-18-pics.html

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Yep they were 255s Ron, The 15" BFGs would out hook them .

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Thanks Chris, exactly the input I was looking for about the Nittos. Do you notice much difference between the 450 and 555?
i just bought a pair of the 450s in 275/50/17... ill report back on how good/or bad the traction is on them. I should have them by the 11th. they're about 1/2 inch taller, and wider than the riken raptor 255/50/17s that i have now, so maybe they will hook up a little better on the street. If the car wasn't my daily i would get some drag radials for the street, but i can't do that because i have to drive it in the rain sometimes...

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I had the the NT 450s installed, and they are pretty decent on dry traction...Definately better than the rikens. I think the size limit on my car was 255 50 17...went to 275 50 17, and now I gotta roll the fenders (rubs on bumps)... oh well, the fact that the car is now controllable at a 35 roll was worth it. Plus they look great.

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Nice! I really like the Nitto tires. I even run a set on my daily driver.

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We purchase Yokohama KY580's....very nice tire both in terms of traction, handling, noise and if they wear anything like the past YK's...(50k) I'll be very happy!
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Unfortunately that tire doesn't come in anything close to the size I need.

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I have Falken Azenis RT615's on one of my other vehicles. 245/45/17, very sticky and good road manners. The tread wear is 200, so they probably won't last a real long time.
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I have the Hankook Ventus V12's and love them. This coming from a Michelin man.. The Nitto does have one of the nicest looking sidewalls though..

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I have general exclaim uhp, 245/45/18 front, and 285/30/18 rear. I ordered the wrong side wall size for the rear, they where discontinued at the time, and could not be returned, they where three year old new tires when I got them, hard, horrible, ugly, car looked stupid, but I.burned them off anyway, and here we be.

I ordered Nitto NT555 in a 245/45/18 and a 285/40/18, the rear tires arrived today, the front tires arrive tomorrow, I'm excited about them.

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