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factory stock wheel weights?

I was curious as to which factory wheels that will fit my lug nut pattern which I believe is to be 5 all the way around. I wanted to know which factory wheels may be the lightest I could slap on there. I don't like the mark v111 wheels im stuck with thanks to my AE cougar. I assume cobra , however idk if they fit.

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I was curious as to which factory wheels that will fit my lug nut pattern which I believe is to be 5 all the way around. I wanted to know which factory wheels may be the lightest I could slap on there. I don't like the mark v111 wheels im stuck with thanks to my AE cougar. I assume cobra , however idk if they fit.
I don't know the exact weight but the bare "Double Spokes" seemed surprisingly light to me. Shockingly light. I was expecting them to much heavier.
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Is the double spokes what the mark viii had along with our ANNIs?

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Is the double spokes what the mark viii had along with our ANNIs?

Same rim. The marks were natural with a natural finish and a center cap with the emblem. The 30ths used that that rim with the spokes painted black and a special center cap with no logo. Don't lose your center caps. They are very difficult to find.

The nick name among the MK8 crowd is double spokes. Its as good a description as any.
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Ahh that would explain so much. I e been looking for a center cap that would have a Mercury symbol or something like that but they are hardly even available without any decal and now I know lmao. Thanks for the weight info because I wanted to change stock wheels to something lighter however you said that these seem to be the lightest of stock therefore they aren't going anywhere. I wonder because we got hand me down rim if that's why no symbol on center cap?

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No Cougar ever got the Mercury symbol anywhere other than the key and literature. Mercury marketed Cougar as it's own sort of it's own subbrand for most of it's existence, similar to today with the way Chevrolet does with the Corvette(notice there aren't bowties plastered all over them like the rest of the lineup). These were niche cars and were presented as something special, something a bit above the Topazes and Sables in the showroom. Thank God too because the big M symbol was ugly

The Thunderbird was the same way until 1989 in fact, up until that point there was never a Blue oval or even a lettered Ford ID on the exterior of them. Just another reason Cougars are superior

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Actually considering they had to have the AE center caps made up special just for the limited run - which is estimated to be 5000 cars it was probably fairly expensive. This was a low production part never used on anything but the 30th AE. The lack of a logo and the black spokes actually is bold and distinctive. In my eye the radial spokes emphasize the the wheels diameter and make it appear a little larger than it is. As much as I like the Gold BBS wheels used on earlier anniversary editions these are slightly less fussy and add a bit off businesslike flair. Perhaps a bit of menace even. The spread in the 1997 brochure of the thirtieth anniversay shows something that unapologetically a 2 door sedan in a world of jelly bean cars. The roofline recalls something of the thirties to me. It's rounded and a little gangster even.

For decades the Cougar WAS Mercurys halo car. Their whole promotional program played up the "At the Sign of the Cat" theme for years. It got people in the doors and if they didn't buy a Cougar they bought something whether it was a lowly Comet or a Grand Marquis. Back when Grand Marquise's were actually more Lincolnesc than Ford.

The Flying M logo sucks. At least compared to Mercury Man silhouette. Ones a bland corporate logo that really doesn't symbolise anything. The other is the messenger of the gods. Fleet of foot. Quicksilver.....I actually feel Mercury's slow slide into oblivion began with the Flying M. To me it symbolizes a company that lost its way. Lost its roots and most importantly lost its identitity.

At least everyone knew what the Cats Head and Running Cat logos meant.
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Cat man so your saying that our wheel caps that there are only about 20k of them? No other car had them like that? What bout the mark8 that I understand is where our wheels came from. Ps just picked scarlet from the shop and bout to become a photographer.

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Cat man so your saying that our wheel caps that there are only about 20k of them? No other car had them like that? What bout the mark8 that I understand is where our wheels came from. Ps just picked scarlet from the shop and bout to become a photographer.
The MK VIII used a center cap with the Continental logo on it. I suspect they are cast but don't know that for a fact. The 30ths used a plain spun aluminum cap that's the same dimensionally. There's a plain aluminum cap from either a Taurus or Tempo thub center that's close to the 30ths. Unfortunately they don't fit very well and fly off my old parts car came with 3 of the correct ones and one of the wannabes.

The 30th cap is specific to the cars and nothing else fits that I'm aware of. Other than the 1993 style Lincoln cap I mentioned above.

If you do a Google Image search for 1993 Mark VIII you'll see what the Lincolns cap looks like.

Also. If your caps rattle you want to pop them off and carefully readjust the loose ones by bending the spring clips on the back of the cap. This takes a little practice and trial and error. Get them too tight and it will actually force the cap off. Too loose they rattle and can fly off. I'm slightly over exaggerating the propensity to fly off. But not by much. Get in the habit of giving the caps a tap when you air your tires up and see if they are getting loose. You don't want to loose one. I'm little paranoid. But if I walk up to the car and one looks loose I'll tap it to make sure it's seated. Since the cap is virtually flush with the spokes it's fairly easy to to spot one if they are starting to slip off.

I've got three sets of rims and exactly 8 caps. I'm terrified of losing one.
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I was rather surprised how light my 16" X 7" alloy 7 Spoke Cougar wheels were, stripped of the factory epoxy whatever coating .... polished, and my own aluminum centers .... the back sides of the spokes are hollow like.


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I was rather surprised how light my 16" X 7" alloy 7 Spoke Cougar wheels were, stripped of the factory epoxy whatever coating .... polished, and my own aluminum centers .... the back sides of the spokes are hollow like.

Those are what I wanted to put on my vehicle if I could find out if they are in fact lighter than what I currently have in my possesion.
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Those are what I wanted to put on my vehicle if I could find out if they are in fact lighter than what I currently have in my possesion.
Wish I had a 5th one, I'ld weigh it for you. Maybe someone else here has a spare to weigh?

If you do get a set, use the best stripper you can find to strip that coating off, then I stuck them one by one on the car with no tire or valve and spun in low as I held sanding blocks in place and then finally polishing pads wrapped around sponge.

No doubt, I have 30-40 hours in them. Centers are the steel spring ring from Cougar wheel centers attached to 1/8" thick aluminum disc with 3/16 SS pop rivets. Once or twice a year I polish again by hand, much easier now that the surface is smooth.

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Wish I had a 5th one, I'ld weigh it for you. Maybe someone else here has a spare to weigh?

If you do get a set, use the best stripper you can find to strip that coating off, then I stuck them one by one on the car with no tire or valve and spun in low as I held sanding blocks in place and then finally polishing pads wrapped around sponge.

No doubt, I have 30-40 hours in them. Centers are the steel spring ring from Cougar wheel centers attached to 1/8" thick aluminum disc with 3/16 SS pop rivets.
What did you use to strip them? The good old standby aircraft stripper or something else?

I'm taking it you used the drive line to spin them? I hadn't thought of that. What grits did you start and end with?

The wheels on my parts car are the anniversary double spokes and I've been contemplating stripping them and repainting them. Possibly something different just to try something well different. I've been staring at the same rims now for 18 years. Maybe all Black. Or DTR. Something different. There pretty roached out so it not like I'm destroying anything of value.

Using the backers from a different year caps a good idea. But I have no idea what caps would fit the Lincoln rim.

Did I mention those lock nice
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I agree those look rather nice. I feel as if they are just the right amount of flashy not too much but just right. Well my quest continues. Maybe Edmunds has it in its specs or something. What year were those 7 spokes from?

Cayman youve had an anniversary edition for that long? #respectttt
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I agree those look rather nice. I feel as if they are just the right amount of flashy not too much but just right. Well my quest continues. Maybe Edmunds has it in its specs or something. What year were those 7 spokes from?

Cayman youve had an anniversary edition for that long? #respectttt
More like CaveMan than Cayman .

Well 17 years this coming March. Bought the #1 car in March of 1999 from my moms BF. Picked up the second one in 2007 after someone rear ended me in a construction zone, totaled my mint 95 Escort LX and drove off. So then there were two. The second one was fairly clean out of Florida but not perfect. I put 100k on that with very few issues. The road chemicals up here finally rusted the second car out to the point of no return this spring. Since the driveline and motor were solid I specially went shopping for a Thunderbird needing some driveline work to use as a daily driver. And somehow managed to come home with another 30th. So now there's three.

But yeah I've been looking at the same wheels on the same colored cars since 1999 and 2007. The latest acquisition is to rough to really be a restoration candidate and I have a extra set of wheels so I'm looking to change it up a little.

In regards to the number one car my inner hotrodders always been at war with my inner car restorer. Knowing how prized untouched cars are among auto enthusiasts I've left it alone. Probably wisely. But after joining the forum I've got the bug to do some mods. So I'm squirreling away some parts. Already have a M8 driveshaft and LCA's. The DD is a little too crusty to really invest much time or money in. So I'm planning on fixing the rusty rockers the best I can. Fixing the little stuff and driving it. So I'm kinda looking for a cleaner project car down the road. Whether that's another 30th or TBird is mostly dependent on whatever I run across.

I do think a 30th with all the practical mods would be a great sleeper. But a TBird could be just as much fun.

I don't know about respect sometimes I feel like a hamster running on a wheel that can't get off still I think there's something worthwhile about trying to keep the 30ths on the road.
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What did you use to strip them? The good old standby aircraft stripper or something else?

I did it back in 2007 .... though they still look nice and are now on their second set of tires since then, I used regular paint stripper in a gallon can. I didn't know about the "Aircraft Stripper" then but I have heard it's super.


I'm taking it you used the drive line to spin them? I hadn't thought of that. What grits did you start and end with?
Yes, but first I had stripped them and I had used some 400 WoD to remove all traces of finish.
Then spinning, using more Wet or Dry, keeping a bucket of water beside me, with paper backed up by a block of wood large enough to span holes, padded with foam behind paper .... held against wheel. Worked through 600 then 1000 grit, keep adding some water.

With no valve stem to grab you or the paper and no weights or tire on wheel, car at idle only, it goes pretty good.

You can even do lip just holding a fine grit foam sanding block in place.

I polished them at first on the car same way but later used a drill mounted polishing head on wheel laid in floor.

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The wheels on my parts car are the anniversary double spokes and I've been contemplating stripping them and repainting them. Possibly something different just to try something well different. I've been staring at the same rims now for 18 years. Maybe all Black. Or DTR. Something different. There pretty roached out so it not like I'm destroying anything of value.

Using the backers from a different year caps a good idea. But I have no idea what caps would fit the Lincoln rim.

Did I mention those lock nice
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The OEM finish is not "just paint", it's like an epoxy. It's tough.

Did I mention .....

..... keep fingers out of holes!


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I agree those look rather nice. I feel as if they are just the right amount of flashy not too much but just right. Well my quest continues. Maybe Edmunds has it in its specs or something. What year were those 7 spokes from?
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I am not sure. They came on XR-7 Cougars through the '90s, that's what I see them on it seems. They are 16" X 7". Two came off rear of a wrecked XR-7 that was crusher bound by a friend that thought they'd fit his SVO Mustang but when they wouldn't, he gave them to me, then one I just spotted in a friends shop and he give it to me when I said I had two ... and the forth I actually paid like $20 for plus shipping.

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Specifically 89-91 XR7s and mid 96-97 sports
Good to know. The Sport model shown in the 1997 Cougar brochure has what looks like those rims. Are they exactly the same between the 89-91 and the 1996-97 sports?

I actually rarely see 1996-97 Cougar sports. I suspect they are rarer than the Thunderbird Sport on a percentage basis. Some production figures would be nice. I seem more 1997 AE cars than Sports. I'd not be shocked if the production total on the cougar Sports included all of the Anniversay cars if they were just counting X number of cars built with Sport suspension.

I'm guessing a bigger take on Sport option among the TBird crowd. Much as I dig my Cougars I suspect had they offered it as a option more buyers than I would care to admit would have opted to wire wheels and white walls in 96-97. Perish the thought
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The OEM finish is not "just paint", it's like an epoxy. It's tough.

Did I mention .....

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I am not sure. They came on XR-7 Cougars through the '90s, that's what I see them on it seems. They are 16" X 7". Two came off rear of a wrecked XR-7 that was crusher bound by a friend that thought they'd fit his SVO Mustang but when they wouldn't, he gave them to me, then one I just spotted in a friends shop and he give it to me when I said I had two ... and the forth I actually paid like $20 for plus shipping.

Yeah I'm guessing epoxy or a epoxylike heavy heavy polyurethane. Tough stuff!
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