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OK, Its really time for tires now! I had asked for suggestions and recomendations for replacement tires for my '97 Sport Bird a few months ago after getting a flat and fearing that the damage was too bad to repair, well the tire was repaired and its semi ok, but looses air all the time so thats a pain in the butt, plus the plies/steel belts are starting to separate in an other tire now, so tomorow its tire shopping day for us.
Present tires are Cooper Lifeliners P22560R16, and I really don't think much of Cooper tires but they were on the car 3 years ago and brand new when we bought the car.
Most responses said the Firestone Firehawk was the best tire for the car, what about now what is the best tire regardless of price for the '97 TBird Sport?
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I've got the sport rims on my car and am currently running Kelly Chargers in the stock size that are an OK tire. When its time for tires I plan on getting some wider tires so I was lookign at 245 and 255 series tires. The best match I found were 255/55's on tire rack. Doesn't seem anyone is currently using them on their car when I posted about them a few weeks back. The prices on them aren't bad and they are listed to fit on a 7" rim. The next sizei would go with would be 235/60's since they are also real colse in size to keep the speedo accurate. As for brands, all i can say is stay away from Goodyear, I have heard nothing but bad things. Good luck in the tire shopping.

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I would say go with the kumo ecsta kh11 235 60 16 tires. They are slightly taller than stock but fill the wheel wells out perefectlyand they are speed rated to 168 mph. It should also look right considering the factory wheel is a 7 inch wide wheel.

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I looked at the Michelin "Harmony" tire last night $116.00 each at Tire Kingdom, I like the look of the tread on this tire, it has great wet road ratings, anyone else running these, are Michelins over rated?
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Another vote for the kuhmo kh11's. 235/60/16.

JL turned me onto this tire and size a few years ago on my old tbird. Great tire, and you can't beat the price.

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dose anybody have any more pictures of the birds with 16 inch wheels and 235 60 16 tires? I would apreciate it if you could post some pictures.
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I've been running the FireHawks for some 18 months and 13,000 miles and just yesterday ordered a new set for the back and move the rears to the front. They are really not much fun as I can no longer smoke or chirp the tires. Traction wet/dry is great.

Consumer reports tested Ultra-high-performance tires in the November 2003 issue.
In order of ranking:
Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3
Toyo Proxes T1-S
Continental ContiSportContact 2
Michelin Pilot Sport---but tested VERY noisy
Dunlop SP sport 9000
Pirelli PZero Nero
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole position
BFG g-Force T/A KDW--traditional tread pattern--but tested very noisy
Firestone Firewhawk SZ50 EP
Kumho ECSTA Supra 712
Sumitomo HTRZ II

Basic results are that they were all very good tires.

Since that issue came out and I already had FireHawks, I read a lot of the reviews on all the tires that tested better than the FireHawks. Many reviews on tirerack.com did not collaborate the CR results. Also, many of the tires that tested better were not available in the right size for 16" rims. Based on this, I went again with the what has worked very well for my Tbird. When the FireHawks wear out, I'll probably go to 17" wheels and 255/50s tires. However, I plan to have one of the custom wheel shops make them exactly like the SC/Sport option OEM wheels--only in 17" Unless someone knows where I can get a set.

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I plan to have one of the custom wheel shops make them exactly like the SC/Sport option OEM wheels--only in 17"
I can't even imagine what that would cost. Have you priced this yet? If so, what have you found?

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Found a place I think it was in Denver about three years ago. Can't find info on them right now.

Here's another link that has US offices.
http://www.simmonswheel.com.au/index.html

Haven't contacted them as it's a project that's at least one-year out if ever the Tbird dies. I plan to do a major rebuild and one idea was 17" or 18" SC/Sport wheels. Maybe some one with photoshop experience could produce some prototypes. Never could figure out why someone didn't already make that wheel. I know that the 16" brand new were nearly $500 each.

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Just for your information. I have budgeted at least $25,000.00 for a complete rebuild of the Tbird as I and others think should have been done for the '98 SVT Thunderbird that never was built. But I can't see spending the money until I no longer enjoy driving the current version. I spent $9,000.00 in one month back in Feb. of 2001 to get her refined like she is. She's probably good for at least another two years. I'm also waiting for Ford to come out with the new 4.6l due out I think next year. Many TCCoA members were eager in 2000 to help me spend the money. My thanks to all those who help me put her together and especially Rob Moore, the Mechanic, who made it happen. Everyone will tell you how to do it but only a few can actually put it all together.
Three years later she still beats out most of the new cars that I have test driven.
Anyway, things change and maybe a car will come out in the next few years that really grabs my attention like the '96 Tbird/Sport did and I'll just sell the Tbird to some 18-year old for a few grand and watch him drive off with a big smile on his face.

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I can't even imagine what that would cost. Have you priced this yet? If so, what have you found?
I can imagine, I know a guy in my fraternity who had spent $3000 on 16" custom chrome rims.

It's insane, and to be honest, be ready to pay.. BIG BUCKS.. Buy a supercharger dude! I would, but I need a job to save up more money

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However, I plan to have one of the custom wheel shops make them exactly like the SC/Sport option OEM wheels--only in 17" Unless someone knows where I can get a set.
There was an aftermarket dealer in Detroit who had two sets
of genuine 17 X 7.5" (I think, on the width) Ford Cobra R Fan
Style Protos in our bolt pattern, but as is the norm with proto
sets, they were all Left or Right handed. He might still have a
set, and he can get 'em chromed if you want.

It'll take me some searching, but I think I can find his contact
information if you're really interested

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Magerthom,

I am interested if they are the SC/Sport style.
I'd buy them now for install in a few years when this set of 255/50 r16 FireHawks are done.

Previous owner of: '96 Tbird Sport with AED SC.
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Best 1/4 mile 14.6sec @96mph on Dec. 20th at Hallsville, TX
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Magerthom,

I am interested if they are the SC/Sport style.
I'd buy them now for install in a few years when this set of 255/50 r16 FireHawks are done.
They are Ford Fan style wheels, not SC/Sport style. If I remember correctly,
they were the same rims as used on one of the mid 90's (?) Cobras except
they were drilled (not redrilled) for our bolt pattern. The dealer that owns
them could tell you the whole story, I'm a bit hazy by now as to all the details.

If you want to pursue this, just let me know and I'll try and search out his
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They were the ones on the '93 Cobra. That was the first year cobra.
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I think I'll pass on the fan syle. Don't really won't mustang wheels on my Tbird. IMO, they make the it look like a big mustang especailly to people who aren't car savy. I've never seen the SC/Sport wheel pattern on anything but a Thunderbird--probably because of the bolt pattern. I've looked and looked for 17" wheels similar to those but to no avail.

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I can say I don't normally agree with a lot of things in Consumer Reports, but on the tire test mentioned above I can't argue. I love my Good Year F1 GS D3's. I don't know if they make them in a 16" size useable on a T-bird or not, I kind of doubt it, but if they do, I would highly recommend them.

As for a 1 off set of wheels as you would be talking about with 17 or 18 inch sport wheels, you might get them made for $3000 a wheel if you are lucky, but I don't think you would get them that cheap, especially if you want lefts and rights. If they thought they could mass produce them and sell lots of them, they would be cheaper, but I don't think anyone would see enough of a market for that wheel in our bolt pattern to mass produce them.

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They don't have to make them in our bolt pattern. They do a mold then CNC the bolt pattern of choice in afterwards. There are a LOT of wheel companies that do that. Some of them don't drill the holes until the wheels are ordered either by a company or an individual.

That's the beauty of wheels with center caps. Now wheels with exposed holes are different. The mold is usually setup for individual patterns. That's why there are a lot more Mustang wheels than T-Bird wheels. If you find a wheel with a center cap that's not available in our bolt pattern, chances are the factory can one-off a set for you that is for a nominal fee ($20-$60 extra per wheel from a couple I've seen).

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Too bad no one ever did make the sports in a 17x8/9 size. I really like the look of the wheels just need a bigger size. Oh well.

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True on that I guess. I knew that was what dante did with the wheels they sell for the T-birds, like the Bullitt wheels. I can see the bosses where the holes were supposed to be drilled for a Mustang on the backs of my wheels.

But I still don't see that being a high demand wheel. To get a wheel set up for you is going to cost a small fortune whether they can make them for multiple bolt patterns or not. If you could get a bunch of people to buy them with you you could get the price down but to get it cheap enough to where you would find enough people that could afford them you would need A LOT of people. I doubt 10 would make it managable.

Could be worth looking into and seeing what it would take, maybe you will find some place that will do it reasonably.

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OK, Its really time for tires now! I had asked for suggestions and recomendations for replacement tires for my '97 Sport Bird a few months ago after getting a flat and fearing that the damage was too bad to repair, well the tire was repaired and its semi ok, but looses air all the time so thats a pain in the butt, plus the plies/steel belts are starting to separate in an other tire now, so tomorow its tire shopping day for us.
Present tires are Cooper Lifeliners P22560R16, and I really don't think much of Cooper tires but they were on the car 3 years ago and brand new when we bought the car.
Most responses said the Firestone Firehawk was the best tire for the car, what about now what is the best tire regardless of price for the '97 TBird Sport?
Thanks!!!!
I just ordered a set of BF Goodrich Traction TAs in 235/55R16 for my '97 Sport. I'll let you know how they look when mounted. should be in this week at Sears. I had good wear with my BFG touring TA's so I'll try the the Tractions since the Tourings aren't made anymore. I second the opinion on Goodyear being short on tire life. My stock Eagles only lasted about 40k.

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Got the 235/55r16 BFG Traction TA’s mounted this weekend. They look great, add a little more width, and they don’t seem that much smaller in diameter than the 225/60r16’s so fender gap isn’t any more noticeable. The ride is very smooth. Looking forward to trying them in the rain, if we ever get any down here.
They are very quiet. Even while burning out or catching second, all you get is a scuff, no squeal. I do notice my exhaust sound more.
$79 each from Sears and they have a 70,000 mile warranty.

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