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i stepped up to wheels...

i've been late in reporting this but i FINALLY stepped up and bought wheels. i went with the saleen speedstars, chrome 18s from brad.

i really like the choice...was not a big chrome/bling fan but its growing on me particularly since i already have the polished roush wheels on my stang....so its a nice change.

my next step is to replace my headlights and corners...they are OE and showing age. i have a friend with a new porter cable so i'll be putting some wax on it soon.

i also got the michelin raptor tires due to the goodyear shortages. they have lots of grip compared to my old bald set! now that i see them on the car, i think would prefer a bit more tread width so the sidewall is more vertical rather than curved in, but its more of a preference thing for me. it also seems like my fender gap is bigger now than when i had the 245/60/15s on there.

i know this is worthless without pics...i have some, just no where to post them.

brad and his folks delivered on their quote so i think they're a solid bunch of guys. we are lucky to have support like that for tbirds. thanks brad!!!

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what size tires are you using? i can't see an 18" rim with a tire shorter than a 245/50/16.i have 2 '94sc's and on 1 i have intrax springs,stock rims with 245/50/16's and on the other i have eibach springs,265/40/18 tires with black saleen speedstars. the 245's are about an inch shorter than stock tires and the 265's are the same height as stock 225/60/16's

i looked back at the thread and saw it said 245/60/15 instead of 245/50/16, my bust
i believe most people run a 255/40/18 tire

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i had the stock fan wheels on there with 245/60/15s.

the new set are 245/45/18. i'd consider more tire if i did it again but i am picking nits here.

my roush has 265/35/18 on the front of it...the fender gap is small but so is the sidewall. it also has a reduced turning ratio to avoid rubs.

tbird has suspension tech lowering springs, and the gap appears just a tad bigger with the new wheels. if i didnt have trouble with bottoming out i would clip the springs to get it just a bit lower. like i said, a preference thing.

the photos brad posted of the mark viii with the speedstars have a great profile. i decided i needed to be able to rotate the tires, so i went with the same size front and rear.

sinhumane, i sent some pics to you. thanks for the help

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i got new wheels, whaddaya all think?
props to brad on his support and service.

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I have nothing but great things to say about Brad as well... he's the man at answering my dumbass questions! Speedstars will look great on your car, cant wait to see pics. 245-45-18 is a great size to go with on the 18's, they're the closest to stock I believe. 245-60-15's are 27.5" tall, over half an inch taller than stock... so yeah there is more gap now! I wanted to have a little beefier tire as well, so I went with 255-45-18's on mine... fill things out a bit nicer. Cant wait for pics!

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I have pretty much come to think that the 245-45-18 is a good size for the LX & a perfect size for the SC...The LX would look a lil better with the 255-45-18 but the risk and issues of rubbing are what I have a problem with.

As has been said many times before. The 255-45-18 rubs a lil bit on the plastic fender skirts in the front when turning. AND there is a chance of rubbing the rear fender lips as well with the added width. So if ya don't mind dealing with those issues to run the tires rub free then it is an option.

Going to a 255-40-18 is definatley NOT the answer because its too short IMO but that all depends on just HOW low your car is. I don't think running this tire would be a problem in the way of safety at all though.

Lastly...I appreciate all the kind words fellas. This has turned into a great hobby for me in many aspects and being a fellow MN12 enthusiest. Its funny to me when I talk to manufacturers about doing specific wheel builds for this car. They look at me like I am nuts or something... ...They just don't get it...Its a great car with a great following of car nuts just like me.

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i can't wait to see the pics! I personally would have wanted the 255/45 tire because of it being slightly taller. I don't imagine that the 245/45 tires look bad though. I'm guessing the steering response from that tire/wheel combo is Much better than the stock tire/wheel combo.

I am curious Bill....can you measure to see what the height of your car is from the ground to the bottom of the fender on the front and rear. I have ST springs also and was just curious how it dropped other people's car since my rear never dropped down right. Thanks.

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i can't wait to see the pics! I personally would have wanted the 255/45 tire because of it being slightly taller. I don't imagine that the 245/45 tires look bad though. I'm guessing the steering response from that tire/wheel combo is Much better than the stock tire/wheel combo.

I am curious Bill....can you measure to see what the height of your car is from the ground to the bottom of the fender on the front and rear. I have ST springs also and was just curious how it dropped other people's car since my rear never dropped down right. Thanks.

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the distance from ground to fender lip is 27 7/8 inches front and rear. i sent the pix to sinhumane yesterday; hopefully he can put them up soon.

i think it looks great - especially on the black cars.

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the distance from ground to fender lip is 27 7/8 inches front and rear. i sent the pix to sinhumane yesterday; hopefully he can put them up soon.

i think it looks great - especially on the black cars.

Thanks very much for measuring. Mine is 26 7/8" in the front and 28 1/8" in the rear. I was just curious at how the ST springs lowered your car.

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I like that cougie...Probably would not be my own choice but it looks well done!!

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Brad, I agree it does look well done, but I just cant get over the carriage top... HATE those!

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Brad, I agree it does look well done, but I just cant get over the carriage top... HATE those!

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+1 . . . the carriage/bostonian tops just kill the look of pretty much any car for me.

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Joel - i sent them this morning....appreciate the help. -Bill

Russell - my front end used to sit maybe an inch lower (like yours) due to some lousey monroe shocks i think. when i replaced upr & lwr control arms and used new Sport shocks up front, seems like ride height increased a bit.

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Looks good man! She for sale? Could you take some pictures of the rear wheel in relation to the fender and the inside susp/ebrake? I'd like to se how much more room is on the inside and outside.

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'13 Mustang GT Premium 5.0L V8, Auto, Brembo, Black - Daily Dark Horse
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'98 F-150 XLT RegCab 8'Bed, 4.6L V8 4x4 ORP Oxford White - Work Truck

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Russell - my front end used to sit maybe an inch lower (like yours) due to some lousey monroe shocks i think. when i replaced upr & lwr control arms and used new Sport shocks up front, seems like ride height increased a bit.

Funny thing is...i have bilstein shocks and new uppers and lowers also. I am just going to wait until I have the weight of the car final and then cut the springs down to what I am wanting.

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uhhhhh WOW. That is a beautiful car. There is just NO beating a clean black car.


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Funny thing is...i have bilstein shocks and new uppers and lowers also. I am just going to wait until I have the weight of the car final and then cut the springs down to what I am wanting.

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Russell,

Your rims are 9" wide and +24 correct? Would you say there is another inch of room on the inside of the wheel... and then bump the tire to a 295?

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Stole my wheels ey... I should post some pictures of my car, just to make you feel bad...! Haha j/k, car looks beautiful. Is it lowered? If so what springs?
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Stole my wheels ey... I should post some pictures of my car, just to make you feel bad...! Haha j/k, car looks beautiful. Is it lowered? If so what springs?
Suspension Techniques springs..he mentioned it earlier in the thread

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The ride might settle a bit...I always thought the ST springs were like 1.7" and the Eibachs were 1.5"...My 90 & 94 look lower than that with the exact same tire/wheel using the Eibach 1.5 springs.




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looks good man! She for sale? -Joel
funny you should ask....over the last year or so it has crossed my mind....and i never thought i would. i guess everything has a price. its one of those situations that i've got way more in her than i could ever get out. i may opt for the viking funeral and get buried in her.

2 months ago i spent $1200 for an entirely new AC...everything was replaced by ford; i redid the whole front end last spring (you can search the suspension forum for that one lol). and now i just dropped a pretty penny on the wheels and tires. i even have a 3.27 trac loc in the garage waiting to go in. i posted up on readers rides after big scott did the PI engine swap yrs ago...so all the other mods are posted there. she's in great shape.

....and will probably be my son's ride when he turns 16 in a couple yrs.....i read somewhere that tbirds are one of the top 5 lowest insurance rates. i'll just have to suck it up when he drives over curbs and brushes all the stationary objects in town.

so in the meantime, besides the pumpkin swap, headlights/corners and a PC wax job, a big brake kit is next on the list now that i have room. i have been trying to read up on the brake forum...looks like piecing together the 13in cobra setup looks to be the most cost effective....but i am still learning about it. if my seat foam continues to degrade i may have to bump seats up the list.

funny how these cars attract such a following...although i have only seen 1 other bird in savannah that looks well kept and i am sure the woman who drives it is not on this board. all the others are beaters.

THANKS for posting the pics and THANKS for all the compliments!!

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Gotta love them Flush Valves eh Bill?? It really does finish the wheel IMO...

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i haven;t used the stem to check the pressure yet, but they are definately a nice touch!! really cleans up the look.

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....and will probably be my son's ride when he turns 16 in a couple yrs.....i read somewhere that tbirds are one of the top 5 lowest insurance rates. i'll just have to suck it up when he drives over curbs and brushes all the stationary objects in town.


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I personally would not give a car that nice to a 16 yr. old. I know how it is when you first start driving. Curbs and brushes of objects in town might only make you sick at your stomach, but if he hammered on the throttle and let that PI engine run a little bit which landed him in the ditch....I think you would be a little bit more than sick! It might be a good car for him when he turns 18 or so...but I would just buy him a cheap V6 tbird for a first car since they are plentiful and some are in real good shape for hardly any money.


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I personally would not give a car that nice to a 16 yr. old. I know how it is when you first start driving. Curbs and brushes of objects in town might only make you sick at your stomach, but if he hammered on the throttle and let that PI engine run a little bit which landed him in the ditch....I think you would be a little bit more than sick! It might be a good car for him when he turns 18 or so...but I would just buy him a cheap V6 tbird for a first car since they are plentiful and some are in real good shape for hardly any money.


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What he said. My kids are all adults and had them all together last Friday night for the 1st time in years and they decided to tell Dad about all the driving experiences. 18 would be a good age. Turns out my 2nd oldest, a daughter was the wildest and she was the one I bought the pretty little RX7 for. It was a fast little car. Should have given it to her older sister. Think again. It will save tears. Maybe!

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