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Removing 25 yr old ground effects

Anyone have suggestions first step to remove ground effects from 1991 southern body Thunderbird sport ..as far as how well the double sided tape is on there ? All the screws come out HEAT GUN maybe ? What kind of mess is hidden beneath it's all a gamble ?
I think I'm gonna rid them and go with out them on top of the fact I want to repaint the car and when I do I' need them refinished and want them painted off the car what's weird is they look like razzi effects but the 91 sport front bumper cover has the lines that came stock so I don't know if the kit was factory or aftermarket to match the front cover cause of the front bumper cover (factory) lines match the rest of the removable pieces
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I know the paint will be dull maybe have some blemishes but if anyone knows or has removed these let me know ..
I wheel paint for a living and remove vehicle wraps at my job but I'm not underestimating 25 yr old ground effects that are glued like cement ...
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Careful with a heat gun, too much and you can melt plastic real fast.
It'd be using the gun while applying pressure to pull the tape off... spurts of heat with constant pressure...
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Notice the front bumper has factory lines that match the rest of the kit ...so I assume the rest is either aftermarket option from back when or it came that way .So if I remove the side skirts and the matching door molding will the car be smooth beneath like a regular LX . Not to mention I wanna find out what these are hiding as far as damage rust etc...
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That looks to be the Razzi kit. It's an aftermarket install so installation quality will vary but usually they're held on with 2 sided tape and screws in the wheel opening lips, so it should be completely smooth underneath. Rust too will vary depending on location. On SCs with factory installed GFX in a northern climate they tend to hide rust until the rockers can't support them anymore, aftermarket at be better since there aren't support tabs riveted into sheetmetal.

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That looks to be the Razzi kit. It's an aftermarket install so installation quality will vary but usually they're held on with 2 sided tape and screws in the wheel opening lips, so it should be completely smooth underneath. Rust too will vary depending on location. On SCs with factory installed GFX in a northern climate they tend to hide rust until the rockers can't support them anymore, aftermarket at be better since there aren't support tabs riveted into sheetmetal.
Well it's a Kentucky car that was garaged even in Kentuckys worst months ... It shows and never seen states north of Kentucky until I got it ... There is no rust on car anywhere except one spot driver front rocker where the fender meets sort of up by the lower door hinge ... And I'm assuming this is from the stupid excessive foaming they put behind rockers plus leafs and debris fill up in that area and water collects there i read somewhere on this forum But the door lips and everything else is spotless so I assume the door skin beneath should be at best faded ...
I just was wondering what do people use to begin to remove these kits .. aside from a heat gun
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If you weren't painting the car, I would tell you to be careful removing the GFX..

I found an early Cougar in the junkyard that had this Razzi kit on it..The car had been crunched by a tree falling on it..
Anyways, aside from the screws in the fender wells holding the GFX on..It was all held on with 3M tape..

After removing the screws, it all peeled off the car very easily but left the tape behind..

I was originally going to install it on my car, but changed my mind and went a different direction with my car..
I ended up just giving it away to my buddy who had a 92 Sport at the time..

I guess you could save yourself some extra body work if you are careful removing the old tape..

Like you said though, it's going to be hard to tell how hardened that tape has become over the years..

I would at least soften it up before you try removing it though..
Basically saturate the entire length of tape with Acetone, and try removing it by hand after the tape has softened up significantly..

If you have to use heat, do it in baby steps..Like a hair dryer, then a heat gun on low..
I wouldn't suggest using a heat gun on the high setting to remove the tape..It could cause some unwanted paint damage..







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Unless you're painting the car, I would just leave them on there. All said and done, I think it will be worse with them off with the paint fading, tape peeling paint off, and holes to patch.

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My suggestion would be to use some fishing line to get behind them and saw back and forth with it to work your way through the tape. Once they are off, there is a thing called an eraser wheel, which you chock in the end of a drill, and it will remove all leftover tape and residue off the car without hurting the paint.

And if you do remove them, how much for the door insert pieces? I picked up a 90 Cougar XR7 that has this kit, but is missing those 2 pieces.

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yeah, fishing line...I'd forgotten about that..

Can you take some pics of the entire car? I'm interested in seeing the whole thing
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My suggestion would be to use some fishing line to get behind them and saw back and forth with it to work your way through the tape. Once they are off, there is a thing called an eraser wheel, which you chock in the end of a drill, and it will remove all leftover tape and residue off the car without hurting the paint.

And if you do remove them, how much for the door insert pieces? I picked up a 90 Cougar XR7 that has this kit, but is missing those 2 pieces.
Rather sell it all as a whole it's useless parting the kit out that leaves me with a few parts that likely no one will want separate
The kits in good shape especially the door inserts side skirts and rear valance it had been finished primed and painted gloss black at one point and most of it shows still good but over the years the front has taken some hits no cracks just stress fractures. Needs all sanded filled primed and painted consider kits go from 400-1000 $ unfinished over 1200$ painted/shipped from a few body kit stores
200$ for it all is fair and have the extras ... But you pay shipping outside 0f the 200 $
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That looks to be the Razzi kit. It's an aftermarket install so installation quality will vary but usually they're held on with 2 sided tape and screws in the wheel opening lips, so it should be completely smooth underneath. Rust too will vary depending on location. On SCs with factory installed GFX in a northern climate they tend to hide rust until the rockers can't support them anymore, aftermarket at be better since there aren't support tabs riveted into sheetmetal.
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If you weren't painting the car, I would tell you to be careful removing the GFX..

I found an early Cougar in the junkyard that had this Razzi kit on it..The car had been crunched by a tree falling on it..
Anyways, aside from the screws in the fender wells holding the GFX on..It was all held on with 3M tape..

After removing the screws, it all peeled off the car very easily but left the tape behind..

I was originally going to install it on my car, but changed my mind and went a different direction with my car..
I ended up just giving it away to my buddy who had a 92 Sport at the time..

I guess you could save yourself some extra body work if you are careful removing the old tape..

Like you said though, it's going to be hard to tell how hardened that tape has become over the years..

I would at least soften it up before you try removing it though..
Basically saturate the entire length of tape with Acetone, and try removing it by hand after the tape has softened up significantly..

If you have to use heat, do it in baby steps..Like a hair dryer, then a heat gun on low..
I wouldn't suggest using a heat gun on the high setting to remove the tape..It could cause some unwanted paint damage..







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Unless you're painting the car, I would just leave them on there. All said and done, I think it will be worse with them off with the paint fading, tape peeling paint off, and holes to patch.

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My suggestion would be to use some fishing line to get behind them and saw back and forth with it to work your way through the tape. Once they are off, there is a thing called an eraser wheel, which you chock in the end of a drill, and it will remove all leftover tape and residue off the car without hurting the paint.

And if you do remove them, how much for the door insert pieces? I picked up a 90 Cougar XR7 that has this kit, but is missing those 2 pieces.
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yeah, fishing line...I'd forgotten about that..

Can you take some pics of the entire car? I'm interested in seeing the whole thing
Got the effects removed all cleaned up nicely 4 hours with eraser wheel and wet sanded wheeled the paint line down between door and effects .

If anyone is interested in the ground effects let me know if not I'll probably have them redone and painted for reinstall later on. I only did this to make sure they wasn't masking any hidden rot .
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Very nice, definitely leave them off. 91 Sports are possibly the rarest of these cars in total production numbers, no point drowning it in aftermarket kit.

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Very nice, definitely leave them off. 91 Sports are possibly the rarest of these cars in total production numbers, no point drowning it in aftermarket kit.
Yes infact 2, 358 5.0 sports we're produced in 1991
7074 in 1992
Only 1256 five speed scoupes and 4212 automatic scoupes found owners in these years

I was only looking for a rust free southern one to begin with and ran across this car I would have taken a 4.6 lx but glad it's a 5.0
What I haven't mentioned is I even traded this car for a 2002 Honda Accord with "0" dollars involved .
Met the guy in Western Indiana he had aquired it from Lexington KY for his 18 yr old son 4 years ago from original owner who had it for 22 yrs
The kid wanted nothing to do with it and loves the Honda now . Course he had no clue what he had .
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Another shot of the car . It's interesting I wondered how many color schemes they did with these sports the beauty line molding I like it . The red with black paint goes together well but I'm not a fan of black upkeep when it's older .... if I ever repaint it as a serious restoration I'm going to either go pearl white or a burnt orange of some sort or maybe a darker custom purple.
Eventually it will be of relevance on tccoa with the rest of the modded birds ..I'm dedicated to keeping it and going forth with overhaul
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I'm pretty sure that all the Sports had that stripe.

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I'm pretty sure that all the Sports had that stripe.

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