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Ok well, i recieved the same kit as did Porkchops (Mike). Except I have the 6000k kit. So I decided I would post up some pictures for yall to see. I will have more seeing as we just bought a digital video camcorder tonight, but we forget to get the firewire cable..oops. So anyways, here you go. These were taken on two seperate nights...Silverstars vs HID. Sorry, it was raining tonight...but im sure you will get the idea.

On front of hood - Silverstar


On front of hood - HID


On back of hood - Silverstar


On back of hood - HID


On roof - Silverstar


On roof - HID
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Although they're probably illegal, the HID system has a far greater light output than the Silverstars. I don't see how the Silverstars are better, other than the fact that they're cheaper and legal.
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I prefer the Silverstars.
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im guessing you meant no kidding. and honestly, they shoot them about the same distance. The HIDs illuminate the area more intensly as opposed to the silverstars.
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I got em off ebay from a guy in ceritos (sp) cali. ZGPerformance is his name if i remember correctly. I like the 6000k kit, it has a light hint of blue. But i wouldnt mind if i even had the 5000k kit. i think those put out a little more light. overall im happy.
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The HIDs illuminate the area more intensly as opposed to the silverstars.
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wow cool to see this is catching on..next time take pics in a dark dark parking lot. then people will see more of a difference. man 6000k? dam thats bright. i prefer the color off my kit tho imo. if i was going for a whiter light your kit would of been perfect.

on a side note of blinding people. anyone notice the lights off the silverstars were blinding off peoples licsense plates and street signs? and with the hid it was brighter but cleaner? with my silverstars i couldnt read the street signs they were so bright but with the hids the light is brighter but cleaner. funny how no one notcied that. and dont tell me cuz of a different angle seeing how he took the pics in the same angles ie: on hood and roof

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can the hids really b illegal since a lot of cars come factory equipped with them? and yes its a fact hids r better than the silverstar wich r simulated hids. the ones that bash hids r just tryin to start an argument. i have never been blinded by hids either. although i can notice them from farther away.
anyway they look awesome and u will enjoy driving at night with a much better view. especially along the sides of the road. they really bring out the eyes of animals. how bout some pics of the front of the car? they look really cool compared to halogen.

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other than ebay were can i get those HID lights and how much?

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can the hids really b illegal since a lot of cars come factory equipped with them?
No, HID lights are not illegal. Yes, the retrofit kits for halogen housings and lenses are 100% illegal and perform worse at their function than the halogen bulbs (although they look brighter on what they can light up). The cars that come factory equipped have housings and lenses designed for the light output of HID which is vastly different than the light output of halogen. http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

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You can even tell by looking at the pictures, sure..the HIDs are definetly alot brighter then the Silverstars, but the beam of the silverstars look so much more uniform and not scattered around. The HID beam just looks....blah

Just get an upgraded wiring harness and halogen lights wont be a problem, I drive all night for work and i cant stand those cars with HID kits, they are BLINDING, i've got to shield my eyes.

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4200k is the optimal color temperature for the highest light output. Anything beyond that is just getting into blues then purples, then eventually blacklight.

Now the higher color temperature you go, the more color you get out of the beam, but less light output. Thats why the silverstars look better, because they are better, just not as blingy as blue hids.

Also putting hid bulbs in a halogen lamp will just throw a ton of glare, this is because the lamp is designed to reflect halogen light and the hid light is more powerful, so it just throws light all over the place, instead of concentrating it in a beam like an oem hid would.

An oem hid seutp is far more than just a bulb and a ballast, its a auto leveler, aimer, and the housing and projector are custom designed for a hid lamp.
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The HID beam just looks....blah
I agree.

They look like they would blind the driver of the car itself.

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Also putting hid bulbs in a halogen lamp will just throw a ton of glare, this is because the lamp is designed to reflect halogen light and the hid light is more powerful, so it just throws light all over the place, instead of concentrating it in a beam like an oem hid would.
this is half true. look at the design of the 89-95 housings and what do you see. you see a halogen bulb aimed at a lens that spans the light itself. that is why you will get the glare. yes there is a slight glare when i upgraded to the 96+ lights but it was a dramatic change over the 95 headlights. why might you ask? the 96+ headlights dont project the light the same way as the 89-95 ones do. its a clear lens that has none of those tiny reflectors or anything on it. the light actually goes throw the back of the housing and then goes back out through the middle. how do i know its concentrated on the middle? cuz i noticed it was brighter towards the middle and not on the outsides. how bout some proof? welllllll these pics are with the same bulbs taken on different days but at the same time of night towards the same angle WITH the flash on. the flash will help dim the picture and try to see the difference between the 2 setups:





which one has more glare? of course my 95 headlights had more. yes they are blinding. now is there that much of a glare on the 96+ headlights than the 95 ones? its waayyyyy different. even notice that the outer parts on the inside of the 96+ lights are a little dim? maybe cuz theres less light on the outer parts seeing how its being aimed towards the middle. in person its like that also and no matter what angle your at the outer parts arent blinding.

not trying to put anyone down or make a fool out of but i believe what i see with my OWN eyes and not the words of people that DONT have the kits themselves

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I'll take the word of someone with a degree in lighting and one that knows how to use measuring equipment instead of someone who doesn't and just says "it looks better to me". Try reading the link posted above and you'll see how wrong you are.

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nope sorry it doesnt take a person with a degree in light to tell the difference between whats blinding and whats not. i dont mean any disrespect to anyone but still i dont care how many degree's someone has. all it takes is to look at the light housing, and the beam pattern itself. and yes i read that link posted above very carefully before i got the kit.

oh and since we are using professionals let ME use one that might actually everyone might want to hear from. *my neighbor*...lol
he is a LAPD detective and has been working with law for a long time and is studying to be a lawyer. anyways when i DID have my 95 lights with the hid's he soon came over *since it was aimed at his house hehe* and told me that they were waaaayyyyy to bright and actually blinded him. told him where i got it and i asked if he saw me on the road would he pull me over and he replied yes. then a week later i did the 96+ headlight swap and he was actually outside with his kids when i was puttin the kit on the newer headlights. i asked him to come over and he asked me how i dimmed the light......ummm...i didnt its the same bulb just different housing..i soon got excited and asked him would i get pulled over with my new setup and he said he doubted it.

ill take the word over a detective that has had experience with pulling people over for illegal lighting than someone who studies light. no offense and i dont want to start a war here

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damn the pics of the headlights are blinding even on the computer i think i got a headache now...................looks awsome tho i wish i had the money for HIDs <---(that sounds like a std by the way lmao) for when i buy my 95 LHS.. I guess i will go with silverstars unless anyone knows what will look like HIDs without the cost...

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Mike, how come in the second picture all the lights are dim including the turn signal and the park light?

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eh i guess its time to step in here a bit

porkchop does have some valid points but of course yes he is techincally wrong but hes only giving his opinion based of experience and not something he read on the internet.

i myself have had a 6000K kit for about 1.5 years now with the 96-97 lights and have been highbeemed maybe all of 3 times and it was by older people who probably highbeam any car that comes standard with xenon's

ive been reading alot of stuff in these threads the past few days about people bashing hids and how all they do is project glare and blah blah blah.

ive asked my friends to drive my car past me while in their car and NONE of the times did my oncoming HIDs produce glare in my eyes. reading how you guys are saying all this stuff about the glare why isnt it effecting my lights?

i also dont under stand how the it can be producing such bad glare on a 96-97 housing if its being reflected of the rear of the light housing?

oh well, yes they are illegal and theoretically produce glare to oncoming cars but our lights suck and HIDs make the difference between night and day on a 96-97 housing and mine dont give off any glare
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I like em. I drive next to people with regular halogen setups and you cant even see there beam pattern on the ground when i drive next to them. and I have been flashed once. That was when i was aiming them. i readjusted them to what you see now and i havent been flashed yet. and i have driven past plenty of police officers and yet to be pulled over. and big mike can verify how anal and how many officers you see in lubbock on one street alone. Im happy with my purchase and have more plans ahead. just gotta get more of that green stuff that makes the world go round.
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gee wiz all this for headlights ha ha

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Mike, how come in the second picture all the lights are dim including the turn signal and the park light?
remember i painted the insides of the housing black?
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sorry forgot to mention that..probably why it seems dim in the second pic..

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I know you painted the housings black, but that dim look has to be made by the camera, becuase painting the lights black dont affect light output of the headlights, i dont see why it would affect the light output of the parking light. I mean it almost looks like they are off. And the picture above you have the same corner lenses and they are much brighter. And you didnt paint them.

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its not that its that bright on the corners just a little out of focus seeing im not the perfect camera man. and yes the parking lights are painted.turtorial? more like get a dremel and a test pair and have fun!

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i mean the corner lights (duh), i already did the parking lights. Thats where im stuck, the corner lenses seem impossible for me.

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This poses an interesting discussion, as the reflector portion of the 1996-1997 headlamp assembly differs from the reflector portion of the 1994-1995 assemblies, in that the reflector in the 96/97 models does the 'focusing' of the beam, whereas the lens does it on the 94/95 models.

I haven't seen too many HID applications up close, but I do notice that a lot of the headlamp assemblies today have the clear lens with the 'focusing' reflector - similar to the headlamp assemblies from the 1996-1997 T-bird/Cougar.

If anyone has access to a part number listing, would you compare the part number of the 2003 Lincoln LS HID headlamp assembly with the 2003 Lincoln LS non-HID headlamp assembly, and see if they differ? All I could find in the service manual was that they have similar "middle" numbers: ????-13008-?? My thought is that if there IS a difference in the part number, there may be a difference in the design as well. If there is no difference, then we'd have to say they are identical, and lean towards a conclusion that a focusing reflector is what's used to make HID, well, not "blind" as much.

This doesn't, in any way, justify illegal, non-legal, legal, etc.; rather, it is something I think may be worthy of discussion.
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Some body here probably has a LSC and a Non-LSC gen II mark. The LSC's do not have a projector headlamp yet they have HID's. Can someone verify the differences. Also someone can check out the 96 LSC and 96 base since one has HID's and the other does not. The 96 housing is like the 94-95 Tbird where the lens does the focusing.

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