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Quick question on 95-96 seat brackets and 97

I'm planning on tossing in a new set of corbeau sport style seats and store away my factory seats want to keep them mint in case of ever re sell the car .
The passenger seat and back seat have never seen an Ass sat in them more then a handful of times ive confirmed that with original owner .
So corbeau they actually oddly enough carry the 95-96 thunderbird seat brackets proprieatary to work and bolt to their seats still but fail to mention 97 availability...I assume it's no diff ?!

So question is there any difference in bolt pattern and or floor pan design from the 95-96 Lx to any 97 model.
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I believe all the seat brackets are the same for the MN12, regardless of generation/year.

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I'm planning on tossing in a new set of corbeau sport style seats and store away my factory seats want to keep them mint in case of ever re sell the car .
The passenger seat and back seat have never seen an Ass sat in them more then a handful of times ive confirmed that with original owner .
So corbeau they actually oddly enough carry the 95-96 thunderbird seat brackets proprieatary to work and bolt to their seats still but fail to mention 97 availability...I assume it's no diff ?!

So question is there any difference in bolt pattern and or floor pan design from the 95-96 Lx to any 97 model.
I have used Corbeau brackets and have two complaints:
1) I remember having the cut the side bracket where the stock seatbelt would bolt onto since it hits the transmission tunnel. shit design. Hopefully they fixed it but I doubt it. I think this was an issue on the drivers side.

1.5) I also remember having to enlarge one of the forward mounting holes slightly to get the bolts to line up.

2) Double locking sliders can gum up with repeated use (granted, a track car with random holes in the floor and no windows except a front windshield is a much dirtier environment than a street car). This might necessitate some cursing while you unbolt the entire seat, flip it up, and move things around to reset the sliders so they are both in the right position.

3) I also found that when the single locking slider is all the way back (the position I need b/c my battery is mounted in the passenger footwell), the adjusting arm (which doesn't move with the seat) sticks out too far forward and can get stabby with your ankles. I ended up cutting mine down on the passenger side.

4) #2 bugged me enough that when I upgraded my driver seat from a Corbeau to a Bimarco Grip Halo seat, I went ahead an bought a new set of single locking sliders. I then found that under max cornering, the seat would rock ever so slightly (we are talking about 1mm). Its noticable (esp when you are using a 5pt harness) and I attribute this to slop in the teeth (it NEVER slips teeth though which would be a safety hazard). I haven't taken it apart to see if I can cut deeper grooves but I wish it was better. FWIW, my Audi's driver seat rocks ever so slightly as well and that's all OEM Recaro BS.

Bottom Line: The Corbeau sliders are usable but they are by no means perfect. FWIW, I never found a better option for sliders. Now that i have the corbeau bases that have been modified to work with the tbird, I suppose I could be on the lookout for better flat sliders (maybe try Jegs or something in the future). Since you need both the bases + the sliders, I'm not sure there's a more cost effective option (unless you fabricate your own base OR buy/find a set of tbird OEM manual sliders).

Slider-only options (what i'll try next)
JEGS Performance Products 70220: Seat Mount Slider Brackets Dual Locking Sliding Style (locks into four locations) | JEGS
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedway-Un...-/131499815857
https://www.racerpartswholesale.com/...gSeatHardware/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g1153


Other Options (never tested)
Ford Thunderbird 94-96 Seat Brackets
Recaro Seat Slider - Inside/Outside Locking-Stable Energies
I remember seeing another company that offered seat brackets but they were in the $150+ range.


PS. Repeated removal/reinstallation of your seats may cause you to loosen up the front mounting bolts to such a point where they never fully tightened. When I showed the bolts to a friend who runs the local CC machine shop, he commented that the bolt design (slightly oval so it engages the threads only on two sides vs all the way around) seems to be designed so that a factory worker can install them with an impact tool and they will "self thread" if needed. They aren't meant for repeated installation/removal. To fix my issue, I ended up enlarging the hole slightly and rethreading it for a slightly larger bolt (went from the stock M8x1.5 to the slightly larger 5/16-18). Problem solved.

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I'm planning on tossing in a new set of corbeau sport style seats and store away my factory seats want to keep them mint in case of ever re sell the car .
The passenger seat and back seat have never seen an Ass sat in them more then a handful of times ive confirmed that with original owner .
So corbeau they actually oddly enough carry the 95-96 thunderbird seat brackets proprieatary to work and bolt to their seats still but fail to mention 97 availability...I assume it's no diff ?!

So question is there any difference in bolt pattern and or floor pan design from the 95-96 Lx to any 97 model.
I have used Corbeau brackets and have two complaints:
1) I remember having the cut the side bracket where the stock seatbelt would bolt onto since it hits the transmission tunnel. shit design. Hopefully they fixed it but I doubt it. I think this was an issue on the drivers side.

1.5) I also remember having to enlarge one of the forward mounting holes slightly to get the bolts to line up.

2) Double locking sliders can gum up with repeated use (granted, a track car with random holes in the floor and no windows except a front windshield is a much dirtier environment than a street car). This might necessitate some cursing while you unbolt the entire seat, flip it up, and move things around to reset the sliders so they are both in the right position.

3) I also found that when the single locking slider is all the way back (the position I need b/c my battery is mounted in the passenger footwell), the adjusting arm (which doesn't move with the seat) sticks out too far forward and can get stabby with your ankles. I ended up cutting mine down on the passenger side.

4) #2 bugged me enough that when I upgraded my driver seat from a Corbeau to a Bimarco Grip Halo seat, I went ahead an bought a new set of single locking sliders. I then found that under max cornering, the seat would rock ever so slightly (we are talking about 1mm). Its noticable (esp when you are using a 5pt harness) and I attribute this to slop in the teeth (it NEVER slips teeth though which would be a safety hazard). I haven't taken it apart to see if I can cut deeper grooves but I wish it was better. FWIW, my Audi's driver seat rocks ever so slightly as well and that's all OEM Recaro BS.

Bottom Line: The Corbeau sliders are usable but they are by no means perfect. FWIW, I never found a better option for sliders. Now that i have the corbeau bases that have been modified to work with the tbird, I suppose I could be on the lookout for better flat sliders (maybe try Jegs or something in the future). Since you need both the bases + the sliders, I'm not sure there's a more cost effective option (unless you fabricate your own base OR buy/find a set of tbird OEM manual sliders).

Slider-only options (what i'll try next)
JEGS Performance Products 70220: Seat Mount Slider Brackets Dual Locking Sliding Style (locks into four locations) | JEGS
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Speedway-Un...-/131499815857
https://www.racerpartswholesale.com/...gSeatHardware/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g1153


Other Options (never tested)
Ford Thunderbird 94-96 Seat Brackets
Recaro Seat Slider - Inside/Outside Locking-Stable Energies
I remember seeing another company that offered seat brackets but they were in the $150+ range.


PS. Repeated removal/reinstallation of your seats may cause you to loosen up the front mounting bolts to such a point where they never fully tightened. When I showed the bolts to a friend who runs the local CC machine shop, he commented that the bolt design (slightly oval so it engages the threads only on two sides vs all the way around) seems to be designed so that a factory worker can install them with an impact tool and they will "self thread" if needed. They aren't meant for repeated installation/removal. To fix my issue, I ended up enlarging the hole slightly and rethreading it for a slightly larger bolt (went from the stock M8x1.5 to the slightly larger 5/16-18). Problem solved.
Well for the lack of headache and hassle seems they will suit me . I can take Into consideration everything but the slight tilt issue ... I Don't plan to hard core race or autocross or anything . Just want to preserve the seats and use a set of corbeaus
Great advice btw!
I surely didn't believe something for the tbird like this would even be in manufacturing still
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Well for the lack of headache and hassle seems they will suit me . I can take Into consideration everything but the slight tilt issue ... I Don't plan to hard core race or autocross or anything . Just want to preserve the seats and use a set of corbeaus
Great advice btw!
I surely didn't believe something for the tbird like this would even be in manufacturing still
Corbeau will NOT be a lack of a headache. Be prepared to modify it as mentioned above.

Oh, the final seating position is a good deal LOWER than stock.... by several inches This isn't a big deal for me because a) we don't have a dash anymore and b) racecar.
I do recall that when I first installed the corbeau seat (and we had the drivers side of the dash still in place), you would think to yourself "hrm --- i feel like a granny driving".

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Sc seats, why not? They are great and look better than after market seats and they offer great stability for cornering hard and comfort for drives..
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For the reasons mentioned above, I cut down/welded up a pair of MN12 manual seat tracks to mount my Corbeaus to.

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I know that this is an old thread but I'm at the point of considering how to mount my seats. I've looked at the price of the Corbeau brackets and I'm just not feeling it. Is there any reason why I wouldn't just make my own?

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