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Console to IP Match - TR6060 Manual Transmission Swap

I'm planning to swap a TR6060 manual transmission into my 1997 LX. Have spoken with a man who installed a TR6060 into a 1995 LX, and he said the automatic console top had to be trimmed to allow for the side-to-side shift lever movement. He recommended using an SC manual trans console. I have access to one from a 1994 SC parts car, so the question is: will that console and top mate with my 1997 instrument panel? I'm not familiar enough with the pre-1996 interiors to know if the interface between the console and IP is the same as the later cars. Appreciate any insight.

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Yes the fit is the same 94-97. I'm certain the linkage actually lines up better with the auto console though, at least it does on 05-10 TR3650 swaps(the bellhousing to shifter length is the same), and the center of the hole in the SC console is about 3 inches forward of the auto hole.

I don't think side to side movement interferes with the auto console top at all AFIAK

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I also think the auto console top will be a better fit than the manual one. If you have access to the manual one for a good price, then I would pick it up, and you can always resell it later. I had to trim my top slightly to clear the MGW short throw shifter, but I'm sure if I had gone with either a stock shifter, or a steeda tri-ax, I would not have had to. I also could have made the rear mount for the shifter sit a little lower, which would have made the console clear. One thing to keep in mind though, is that in order to run the SC console top, you have to run the whole SC console too, as the contour is different to have clearance around the handbrake.

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I would really prefer to keep my auto console top, since switching to the SC M/T top means losing the cup holders. We used them all the time during our recent road trip, so that is a major disincentive.

The guy I talked to that had done a TR6060 installation pointed out that the auto trans shifter and its opening in the console top are biased toward the driver, whereas the manual trans shifter is on the vehicle centerline. Was that not an issue with the TR3650 install? Supposedly the TR6060 puts the shifter in the same position fore-aft as the TR3650 does. But, the side-to-side movement may be greater on the TR6060 (I haven't found measurements yet, but this seems logical given that the Reverse leg of the shift pattern is different on the 6-speed than it is on the 5-speed).

I like the idea of getting a Steeda Tri-Ax shifter. Will have to buy a shifter in any case.

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I just looked at the steeda triax for the TR6060. Here is the one I looked up...
https://www.americanmuscle.com/steed...er-tr6060.html

you can see that the handle part that the knob attaches to bolts to the shifter. Since it bolts right to it, it would be very easy to bolt the handle part to the other side, or if that doesn't give you enough offset, use some longer bolts and a spacer to offset it however much you need.

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That makes sense. I'm also going to get some information from Tremec about shifter location and side-to-side movement.

BTW, I failed to take any pictures of your setup during the Epic Drive. Could you send me a couple of photos showing the console top and shifter in your car?

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For what it's worth... here's a side-by-side of the manual and auto console tops. The manual shifter location is more forward.
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For what it's worth... here's a side-by-side of the manual and auto console tops. The manual shifter location is more forward.
Notice on the Manual console top, the shifter is much more forward than on the Auto console.

This is due to the M5R2's design.
The later (05-12) TR-3650, TR-6060, MT-82, T56 all have a shifter that lines up almost perfectly with the hole in the auto console top. There may be a little trimming required on the bottom, but nothing major and it can be hidden with a shift boot (I believe a Corvette part from the C5 works?)

Me personally, putting a 6060 in would make me want to use the Auto console top.

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Keeping the auto console top is my desire also. I've talked to sales/tech people at Astro Performance, Tremec and Steeda, during which I learned a few things:
1. The GT500 installation of the TR6060 was with a remote shifter, and the fore-aft location can be changed by shortening three tubes attached to the transmission.
2. The GT500 / TR6060 factory installation put the shift lever about 1/2" rearward of the Mustang GT / TR3650 location. That doesn't sound like a major issue.
3. The side-to-side movement of the two Steeda shifters is approximately the same (they did not have dimensions; this is from a tech there who had worked with both).

Astro Performance was very helpful, and has what appears to be a fair price on a remanufactured TR6060 with gear strength upgrades. Anybody here had a good or bad experience with them?
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Here is how mine sits when in neutral

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I like the old style trays without the coin and cup holders. What are you using the trunk release button next to the coin holders for Mike? Doesn't that traditionally go in the console arm rest?

Nice work guys. Now, if someone could figure out how to put a modern AUTO into one of these. Is there a modern AUTO that can be fitted? I currently have a build 2004 Mustang GT 4R70 in the car.

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Ron, I think that's actually the traction control switch.

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Keeping the auto console top is my desire also. I've talked to sales/tech people at Astro Performance, Tremec and Steeda, during which I learned a few things:
1. The GT500 installation of the TR6060 was with a remote shifter, and the fore-aft location can be changed by shortening three tubes attached to the transmission.
2. The GT500 / TR6060 factory installation put the shift lever about 1/2" rearward of the Mustang GT / TR3650 location. That doesn't sound like a major issue.
3. The side-to-side movement of the two Steeda shifters is approximately the same (they did not have dimensions; this is from a tech there who had worked with both).

Astro Performance was very helpful, and has what appears to be a fair price on a remanufactured TR6060 with gear strength upgrades. Anybody here had a good or bad experience with them?
That is a good price for a 6060, May have to keep them in mind.

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Ron, I think that's actually the traction control switch.
I'm curious about that too, what's occupying the space the switch was originally placed? Was a 94-5 fuel door and switch retrofitted?

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Nice work guys. Now, if someone could figure out how to put a modern AUTO into one of these. Is there a modern AUTO that can be fitted? I currently have a build 2004 Mustang GT 4R70 in the car.

I so want to get rid of the 4-Speed 4R70W Slushbox and replace it with a modern 6 or 10 speed. Suggestions?
All torque converter autos are slushboxes as far as I'm concerned But the 5.0 6R80 is probably the best bet, I think OxmanWi has one.

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The button is not doing anything in my car. That is the console top that was in smokymance's car, and he had it hooked up to turn the traction control on and off with it because he eliminated the info center in order to move the HVAC controls down. My car doesn't have traction control, but since I had to trim the console top to clear the shifter, and I wasn't sure how far I would have to go with it, I experimented with this console top, which is cracked on the left side of the shifter opening, before doing it with the one that was in my car. The shift boot is also pretty beat up and has a couple holes in it, so I will modify my other console top, along with getting a nice leather shift boot, and swap it out at some point, but since this swap was done quick in order to be able to take the car on the epic drive, and since I have been playing catch-up since I got back, I haven't had time to mess with it.

Although I did think about using that button for a Zex kit I have sitting in my loft, just for the irony of having it hooked to a traction control button. Technically, it would be controlling traction, as in preventing it from existing!
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Thanks Matt.

I'll put that on my wish list and call Josh about how the hell he got that to work.

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All torque converter autos are slushboxes as far as I'm concerned But the 5.0 6R80 is probably the best bet, I think OxmanWi has one.
You'd need the transmission, a proper length driveshaft, and a shift controller.
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MadMikeyL,

Thanks for the photo - that looks like just about perfect shifter positioning!

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