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Do any of you guys/gals use any sniping services?

Most of time, I'm bidding on auctions from my house and since I'm on dial up..... I can only bid within a few minutes of the end of an auction and usually see the price go up and I win, or I get outbid.

So anyway, I'm considering a sniping service that bids in the final seconds and was wondering what everyone uses.

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I always get into an argument with my father about this. He uses one, I refuse to. I say it is manipulating the system and having been on the other end of that, I won't do it. He says that all it does is prevent bidding wars, since if you only bid once on an item, and bid the amount you were actually willing to pay, it wouldn't matter when you bid. I think it takes a regular auction and turns it into a silent auction, which isn't fair to the seller (who paid for an open auction and on average would get less money from a silent auction with nobody got into bidding wars) or to the other bidders who are going into an open auction that they don't know is a silent auction.

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I always get into an argument with my father about this. He uses one, I refuse to. I say it is manipulating the system and having been on the other end of that, I won't do it. He says that all it does is prevent bidding wars, since if you only bid once on an item, and bid the amount you were actually willing to pay, it wouldn't matter when you bid. I think it takes a regular auction and turns it into a silent auction, which isn't fair to the seller (who paid for an open auction and on average would get less money from a silent auction with nobody got into bidding wars) or to the other bidders who are going into an open auction that they don't know is a silent auction.
Good points.... so which one does your father use?

I've been the seller on some "bidding wars" and, true, it is great for the seller. However, the majority of my non-paying bidders were from winners of bidding wars. They seem to get wrapped up in the bidding and bid higher than they are willing to pay.... I loathe non-paying bidders.

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I always get into an argument with my father about this. He uses one, I refuse to. I say it is manipulating the system and having been on the other end of that, I won't do it. He says that all it does is prevent bidding wars, since if you only bid once on an item, and bid the amount you were actually willing to pay, it wouldn't matter when you bid. I think it takes a regular auction and turns it into a silent auction, which isn't fair to the seller (who paid for an open auction and on average would get less money from a silent auction with nobody got into bidding wars) or to the other bidders who are going into an open auction that they don't know is a silent auction.
While I agree with you, the old adage, "If you can't beat'em, join'em." comes to mind. I personally haven't ever used the sniping thing, I just bid in the last 30 seconds or so. I have high speed though, so that helps. However, I think a lot of people use this tactic, so even the whole 7-day auction thing is really kind of pointless except for the fact that your item gets more hits and potential buyers.

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Sorry, the information you request falls under the classification of "trade secrets". Figure it out yer darn self! I'm not going to help you outbid me for mn12 parts!

oh and as a buyer i agree with Mike's dad on bidding strategy.

As a seller i've never had a problem with crafting my auctions so that they bring in top dollar for that type of item on ebay, even if most or all the bids come in at the last minute. And those last minute new bidders usually know exactly what it was worth to them and no more, and they pay right up with no problems.

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I don't know what one he uses. It never interested me since I don't approve of it to begin with. Non-paying bidders are aggrivating, but not as bad as the scammers that are on there now. I wonder if they use sniping programs?

As for the "If you can't beat'em, join'em", I prefer to go down fighting than to succumb to the pressure of others.

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I'm not too mad about it, I just don't do it. It's the same as idiots and shipping prices. Some jackass tried to tell me recently that it was going to cost him 17 dollars to ship me a [motorcycle] turn signal switch. I had to laugh.

As a seller, I always get the sale if I charge a reasonable shipping price and post a well-worded, concise, auction with good photographs. It's as easy as that.

Back to sniping, I don't think of ebay as a game. I don't know, some people really get off on sniping so they can save 6 cents, I have a life and some patience and am an adult, so no sniping.

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Back to sniping, I don't think of ebay as a game. I don't know, some people really get off on sniping so they can save 6 cents, I have a life and some patience and am an adult, so no sniping.
I'm going to have to use that line on my dad. Thanks.

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I don't attempt to save anything so much as avoid over paying for it. I decide exactly what it's worth to me and no more. If at the end of the auction it hasn't surpassed that price i'll put my last second max bid in and see where the chips land.

I can see no point in putting a bid in on something that's going to be up for auction for days to come. Your just inviting counter bids and driving the price up to your detriment. Why would you play that game? It's a waste of time getting in a bidding war with some zero feedback newb with auction fever (and they've always come out of the woodwork every time i've bid early)...

As a seller i can't tell you how many times i've been thrilled to see a sniper with great feedback come in at the last second. I love watching them snatch the prize away from some newb with auction fever who probably wasn't going to pay anyway.

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Back to sniping, I don't think of ebay as a game. I don't know, some people really get off on sniping so they can save 6 cents, I have a life and some patience and am an adult, so no sniping.
Would you snipe if it would save you $100?

I've had at least two auctions that had I sniped, I would have won one, and saved $100 on the other one. My issue is that I can't bid at the last second because I'm on dial up and the screen refreshes are sucking up those last few seconds. If I knew that if I hit the enter key within the last 10 seconds of an auction, I would. But I can't. If I hit refresh with 30 seconds to go, by the time the screen refreshes, the auction is over (or so close to being over that I can't bid in time).

I just don't see the problem with sniping. What is the difference between me sitting there waiting for the very last second to bid (assuming I could!!), vs. using technology to do the exact same thing?

But anyway, which service is everyone using?

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I just don't see the problem with sniping. What is the difference between me sitting there waiting for the very last second to bid (assuming I could!!), vs. using technology to do the exact same thing?

But anyway, which service is everyone using?
There isn't any difference.

The auction is open until the second it closes at a fixed time. It's as simple as that. That's how a fix end time auction format works. There's nothing wrong with last second bidding however it's done.

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With cable I have one screen I watch the auction with and keep refreshing it to see the numbers. I also have another window open and set with my highest bidding price on the commit screen. This way I can drop in a bid in the last 2 seconds and it has worked well for me.

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So in other words your you own sniping system? Thats actually cool IMO.

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With cable I have one screen I watch the auction with and keep refreshing it to see the numbers. I also have another window open and set with my highest bidding price on the commit screen. This way I can drop in a bid in the last 2 seconds and it has worked well for me.
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Would you snipe if it would save you $100?

I've had at least two auctions that had I sniped, I would have won one, and saved $100 on the other one. My issue is that I can't bid at the last second because I'm on dial up and the screen refreshes are sucking up those last few seconds. If I knew that if I hit the enter key within the last 10 seconds of an auction, I would. But I can't. If I hit refresh with 30 seconds to go, by the time the screen refreshes, the auction is over (or so close to being over that I can't bid in time).

I just don't see the problem with sniping. What is the difference between me sitting there waiting for the very last second to bid (assuming I could!!), vs. using technology to do the exact same thing?

But anyway, which service is everyone using?
Well I was just explaining why I don't snipe. Again, I have some patience, usually end up finding something nicer and at a better price if I wait a little while. Honestly, I have only been sniped a few times recently. I don't shop for "mission critical" stuff on eBay, anyway, it's too much of a risk of getting a crappy product or getting something packed horribly and damaged.

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With cable I have one screen I watch the auction with and keep refreshing it to see the numbers. I also have another window open and set with my highest bidding price on the commit screen. This way I can drop in a bid in the last 2 seconds and it has worked well for me.
That is exactly what I do.

And let me put it this way.

I know exactly what I want to pay. Every time I have put that amount in play before the last few seconds I have lost the auction. Most of the time I win if I can be in front of the computer to do the above. I don't feel bad at all about that because if the person that got outbid wanted it badly enough then they would have bid higher. If they did bid higher then I lose and I don't feel bad because the amount that I bid is exactly as much as I wanted to pay. It's fair either way nobody knew in advace how much the other was willing to bid and the higher bid wins.

But, when I bid early there are those that will bid up until they top my bid. You can see that happen if you look at the history. They are not bidding their max amount up front and I think that is the crap way of going about it.

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That is exactly what I do.

And let me put it this way.

I know exactly what I want to pay. Every time I have put that amount in play before the last few seconds I have lost the auction. Most of the time I win if I can be in front of the computer to do the above. I don't feel bad at all about that because if the person that got outbid wanted it badly enough then they would have bid higher. If they did bid higher then I lose and I don't feel bad because the amount that I bid is exactly as much as I wanted to pay. It's fair either way nobody knew in advace how much the other was willing to bid and the higher bid wins.

But, when I bid early there are those that will bid up until they top my bid. You can see that happen if you look at the history. They are not bidding their max amount up front and I think that is the crap way of going about it.

I bid once and bid the max amount that I will pay.

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I know exactly what I want to pay. Every time I have put that amount in play before the last few seconds I have lost the auction. Most of the time I win if I can be in front of the computer to do the above. I don't feel bad at all about that because if the person that got outbid wanted it badly enough then they would have bid higher. If they did bid higher then I lose and I don't feel bad because the amount that I bid is exactly as much as I wanted to pay. It's fair either way nobody knew in advace how much the other was willing to bid and the higher bid wins.
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But, when I bid early there are those that will bid up until they top my bid. You can see that happen if you look at the history. They are not bidding their max amount up front and I think that is the crap way of going about it.
People don't seem to grasp, or refuse to use proxy bidding then complain it's unfair that they got sniped? I don't get it...

If you get outbid in the last seconds of an auction it's because you didn't place a high enough proxy bid before the auction closed! Bid the most your willing to pay and that's it. If you lose you lose.

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I bid exactly what I want to pay for it, maybe 5-6 seconds before it expires. I win most auctions this way. Good for me, bad for sellers. If you bid early, the bidding war escalates early, and price goes up too soon.
If some halfwit is okay paying OVER retail for a TFS stage I cam, for example (it happened to me, lol), then he can have it. Typically, if it appears something is going WAY over what it should be normally, I will bid repeatedly and drive the bid up for the guy wanting to pay way too much for something, that way, he doesn't save anything.
Yeah, I am a jerk, but most of the parts I am bidding on aren't exactly rare pieces, and shouldn't be ran up to price levels I see occasionally. Good for my entertainment value, good for the seller, bad for the guy who is willing to pay a stupid amount of money for something that is commonly available.
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I don't use a sniping service, but if it's something I really want, I don't bid until the very end to avoid starting the bidding war early on.
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