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Weight in tunk

For the guys here that have to drive there birds and cougars in the snow how much weight do you usually put in the back for traction??

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If its pretty bad, I might put a couple sand bags (50# each) in the trunk. but usually even that isn't necessary. The T-bird has always done great in the snow, at least for me.


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do you have tracklock or traction control??

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My last T-bird (a 97 V-6) had electronic Traction control. My current T-bird (a 97 V-8 Sport) has Trac-Loc.


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I dream of trak lock or traction control in snow spins like a mofo if i give her any I kinda overdid it i put like 300 lbs because i need all the traction i can get tomorrow morning when i go to work suppose to get like 10 inches of snow

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I dont have any weight in mine and have done fine even after getting a foot of snow in a day. With the open-diff.
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I dream of trak lock or traction control in snow spins like a mofo if i give her any I kinda overdid it i put like 300 lbs because i need all the traction i can get tomorrow morning when i go to work suppose to get like 10 inches of snow

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I dont have any weight in mine and have done fine even after getting a foot of snow in a day. With the open-diff.

What kind of tires??

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I have an OPEN 3.08 with T/A (which does worse than it helps...) and have only my subs/amp and a bunch of junk (insulated coveralls, etc) and I've never been stuck once. I've got some El Dorado Vision GTS's on there also (not the best tires by any means).

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2 70lb sand bags, 2 subs and an amp with the stock open diff. I've been looking to get some of the 15" wheels and mounting some blizzaks or something on them, do they help very much (my hometown has a way of not plowing the roads when it snows)

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On my T'bird I have Cooper Weathermaster tires on all fours. The rears are 215/70-15 with studs. I have used studless tires in the past ( Blizzaks and Graspics ) and was not pleased at all. Snow traction ( in my opinion ) was marginally ok, and ice traction just doesn't compare to a studded tire. In any deep snow, say over 6", you should have a dedicated snow tire with good lugs. They are noisey but get the job done. A good snow tire will dig and clean itself as well. The best snow tire I've ever used was called a Powerking. As for weight in the rear, I've found that having about 60-70lbs. worked best for me. I use two full size cinderblocks and place each one as far back in the trunk as I can and on each side of the wheel well. Also try to keep at least 3/4 of a tank of gas too. Having too much weight will cause too much ballast. It will be unstable brakeing and cornering, in both cases the rear will tend to "push out ". Just one more note, it is a good idea to have snows on all fours. You need the added traction up front for stopping power. The car will be unstable otherwise.
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On my T'bird I have Cooper Weathermaster tires on all fours. The rears are 215/70-15 with studs. I have used studless tires in the past ( Blizzaks and Graspics ) and was not pleased at all. Snow traction ( in my opinion ) was marginally ok, and ice traction just doesn't compare to a studded tire. In any deep snow, say over 6", you should have a dedicated snow tire with good lugs. They are noisey but get the job done. A good snow tire will dig and clean itself as well. The best snow tire I've ever used was called a Powerking. As for weight in the rear, I've found that having about 60-70lbs. worked best for me. I use two full size cinderblocks and place each one as far back in the trunk as I can and on each side of the wheel well. Also try to keep at least 3/4 of a tank of gas too. Having too much weight will cause too much ballast. It will be unstable brakeing and cornering, in both cases the rear will tend to "push out ". Just one more note, it is a good idea to have snows on all fours. You need the added traction up front for stopping power. The car will be unstable otherwise.
I hope this helps!! Happy Powersliding!!
Thanks fo rthe advice. Considering where I live, there are times we'll get 6 inches at a time, or we'll have ice, or we'll have nothing at all. So should I go and get some 15's and some decent snow tires then since it's gonna 4 years before I'll have a winter driver?

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For the guys here that have to drive there birds and cougars in the snow how much weight do you usually put in the back for traction??

Could refer to this thread for that extra weight...........http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=56851

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I usually have them mounted on seperate rims, that way, when it's time to use them, just throw them on, rims and all. I usually keep mine on all winter ( usually Nov. - May ). Then remove them for my summer tires.
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So should I go and get some 15's and some decent snow tires then since it's gonna 4 years before I'll have a winter driver?
Well it would be a great idea. But I know for myself Im in college now and cant afford a full set of studded tires, so I made a compromise. I have two Firestone AT truck tires out back with Nordic Wintertracs in the front and the car has good traction in both dry and icey/snowy conditions. Its not the best for either but if your on a tight budget I find its a great setup.
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The Cooper Weathermaster II's I have on the rear were $69.00 a peice + 15.00 a peice to stud. That was two years ago though. The Weathermaster I's I have on the front (a year older tire) was about $59.00 then. Blue LS, how does that compare to the price of your tires?
I'm just curious bud!!
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When I lived in the snow belt I usually had three tube sand bags at 70 lbs. each. This was with a open 3.08 rear, stock suspension, stock wheels, and winter rubber (usually blizzacks). It seemed to do fine for me and thats for anything from an inch to 2 feet.

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Well idiot me i didnt have time to get the snow tires i have up in my garage put on so i gotta use my firehawks 235-60-15s

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I paid about 100 each including tax (CDN) for the Nordics. I cant remember what I paid for the Firestones though I think it was about 110-115. Damn , wish prices were like that up here. lol, but I guess at the time with the exchange and freakin 14% tax I paid it works out to abou the same price
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Well idiot me i didnt have time to get the snow tires i have up in my garage put on so i gotta use my firehawks 235-60-15s
Hehe, I had those same exact ones and also used them in a small winter storm before getting snows on. They weren't that bad. When I had the BF Goodrich Radial TA's on in the snow that was bad. I hate those tires. They suck in snow (not ment for it though) and they are crap in the rain from what I experienced. I loved my Firehawks. Those things just rocked. And the 235s gave it a great look on a stock wheel.

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215/75/15 snow tires on stock wheels, 3.08 open diff, and the other 2 old tires in the trunk, my beater bird can make it through anything
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3.73 posi rear end. Switched back to the stock wheels. 225/60/16 Goodyear tires. 2 70lb sandbags in the trunk, along with the spare tire, a set of tools, and a box of cleaning supplies.

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Three concrete blocks with the holes partially filled with concrete. I never weighed 'em but they're heavy! I've got T/A and it works great on the highway but you're better off shutting it down if you have to plow through deep snow at slow speed(like getting into your driveway after the snowplow passes).

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I went with two 40 lb. water softener salt bags this year. That's with 3.73's and stock 15" wheels with virtually new BF Goodrich Radial T/A's. The car also has a trac loc rear and the normally crappy traction assist, and sits about 5-6" off the ground. Today in about 4-5" of snow (already been packed down some, but still rough), I had almost no problems, except turning off once when trying to go up an unplowed grade.

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Last year I lived in a town, Kelso, Wa., that gets snow very rarely. It snowed probably 4-5 inches, and driving the Bird with all weather tires was a pain in the butt!! Couldn't make it up even the slightest incline. This year, moved to my old home town of Spokane, Wa. Had been dreading driving this winter, and when the first snow came, the Bird was up to its old tricks again. So I went to the local Les Schwab and got some used studded snow tires, threw the heaviest tool box I own in the trunk, my floor jack, some old weights I had in the garage, I think you get the idea, if it was heavy, it went in. Next snow storm, out to the Bird, and it has been flying all over town with no problems!!
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I have 4 Michelin Artic Alpins( 205/70/15 ) on my 96 Tbird. It has 60 lbs of stereo equipment in the trunk, that is all I use for weight. It has the 3.73 TL diff and some mods. The car is a pretty decent plow in the snow and does very well on the ice. I don't like studded tires because a stud can come out and damage your fender and inner fender wells.
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