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Missing the old days of NASCAR - Am I Nuts?

I started watching NASCAR when I was about ten or so. I remember NASCAR being on TNN, and you didn't have most of the flashy graphics and extras that you see so much when FOX airs it. Case in point : The NASCAR sexiest driver competition. It seems more and more that NASCAR is starting to care more about the soccer-mom bandwagon fans then the people who actually care about how the cars run and the mechanics behind the race.

I was a Dale Earnhardt fan right up until he died, despite his dry spell and people giving my flak becuase I was a ford enthusiast and my driver drove a GM. He was a racer in a true sense, he didn't buy into the intense commercialzation and only endorsed products he actually used. I think his son could learn a lesson from him, as he seems to care more about image than actually racing. If I watch Nextel nowadays, I root for whatever ford driver is near the front. I watch the Craftsman series more nowadays

I also miss the old days of NASCAR becuase that's when they ran the Thunderbird, you know at least it was RWD.........

So am I alone in saying this or has anyone else noticed it?
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Yeah, NASCAR sucks now. I don't even watch it anymore.

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I agree with you, I too miss the TNN days. I remember the first race I ever watched from start to finish was a Bristol race. It was the one where Dale Earnhardt Sr. tried the bump and run on Terry Labonte. Terry crossed the finish line sideways and hit the wall. I remember seeing him in Victory lane celebrating with his car all smashed up. My favorite driver back then was Ernie Irvan. I would also root for Dale Jarret. I only occationally catch the races nowadays.

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I agree with you, I too miss the TNN days. I remember the first race I ever watched from start to finish was a Bristol race. It was the one where Dale Earnhardt Sr. tried the bump and run on Terry Labonte. Terry crossed the finish line sideways and hit the wall. I remember seeing him in Victory lane celebrating with his car all smashed up. My favorite driver back then was Ernie Irvan. I would also root for Dale Jarret. I only occationally catch the races nowadays.
I always thought that the short track events were some of the most exciting races NASCAR had on their schedule, That and I am one of the few people who enjoys the events at Watkins Glen and Sonoma. But another annoying trend is that all the new speedways being constructed are all huge tri-ovals. Would a little variety hurt?
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True I love the short track and the road courses. I think that they should have more road courses, maybe even a street course. All the new cookie cutter tracks suck! If you don't show the tracks name you can't tell one from the other. Rockingham was one of my favorite tracks.

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That's what CASCAR basically is, I guess in canada they don't have a lot of purpose built speedways so they wall off parts of toronto and let the cars loose, I saw it on SPEED once, it was actually pretty intresting to watch
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That's what CASCAR basically is, I guess in canada they don't have a lot of purpose built speedways so they wall off parts of toronto and let the cars loose, I saw it on SPEED once, it was actually pretty intresting to watch
Don't even get me started about SPEED. I remember how I used to always watch speed channel. That was like the only channel I watched.

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well in the old days they could bump and stuff and still b fast. now the smallest bump and air doesnt flow so well around u. toyota in the truck series is kind of stupid. racing was supposed to b an american sport i thought. let the japs make thier own truck series and race over there. pretty soon ull see honda in nascar with nos and huge mufflers.
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'You think it's bad now? After Danica Patricks's showing in the Indy 500, NASCAR is really on the bandwagon to get some woman drivers in the field - I just read a story about this in the newspaper today. It's all about the ratings, and if it takes people that would be better on Bay Watch or American Idol to get more fans/viewers, as long as they can start driving well enough to place, that's what we'll start seeing...

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I say let 'em race in the truck series, It's always fun watching an import truck get thrashed by a 150 right?
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'You think it's bad now? After Danica Patricks's showing in the Indy 500, NASCAR is really on the bandwagon to get some woman drivers in the field - I just read a story about this in the newspaper today. It's all about the ratings, and if it takes people that would be better on Bay Watch or American Idol to get more fans/viewers, as long as they can start driving well enough to place, that's what we'll start seeing...
I read the same thing. Want to know something intresting about IRL? Your car is only as good as the amount of money you throw at it, moreso than NASCAR. One team, Ferarri I think, had their own SPECIAL FUEL for their cars. In NASCAR, at least some driver skill is involved. Didn't Shawna Robinson race in a few nextel events? yeah, went NOWHERE. Partick only got as far as she did becuase her team had a ****load of money. Give any NASCAR Team that much and they could win races with any driver.

Then again look at those IRL Cars, Pushbutton shifting? come on.
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I remember watching the races on an old color console in our wreck room down stairs when I was small. It had a turn table on one side and an AM/FM stereo radio with an 8-track player on the other side. Oh yea, I forgot. NO Cable! I had to keep adjusting the electric Tenna rotor to keep the picture clear. That was when the main channels were CBS, NBC, and ABC. Thinking back, That's when I used to sharpen my Dads Broadheads too
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Im with everybody else, NASCAR just dosent excite me anymore like it used to. Back when i was younger thats what i lived for, but now it has become too mainstream, the cars all look the same, there are too many rules and i prefered the espn and tnn broadcasts over the current ones.

It really isnt the same. Im also having a hard time getting used to this new generation of drivers. I miss the ole days when the big names actually ran at the front.

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Yes it sucks now. The closest thing to the old days is the truck series. With more and more old timers heading over there(Mark Martin next year), the truck series is the one bright spot. The trucks are fantastic at daytona, no plates on them, so they can slingshot pass just like the old days.
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Yeah, I will definitely agree with the fact that NASCAR is not what it used to be... as it seems to be the way of a lot of things these days.

I still watch it because to me, racing is racing.... even if they put rediculous restrictions on the motors so all the cars have the same exact top speed.....

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Yeh, I've really all but stopped watching Nascar anymore. It's always the same driver's, same style tracks, etc. etc. The only way I go to (or watch) a Nascar race is with the Indiana State Marching Syacamores when they do the Brickyard 400. Anymore, IMHO, the driver's are getting way to childish. If they get bumped out of the way, get penalized, whatever, they start whining on TV (Like Harvick yesterday after the Busch race). I just watch the WRC races whenever I can anymore. Now that's some good racing!

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...and of course you can't beat the Formula One Drags on the Speed channel..

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Old loves and traditions die hard. Every week I build up an excitement about the next NASCAR race. And every week after it's over I think "ho-hum" big deal. I can't tell you how many times I've started to watch a race and after 25 laps or so I just go do something else and check in on it once-in-a-while. Lowes last week is kinda typical, 22 cautions and hours of nothing happening. NASCAR has regulated the sport to death, restrictor plates, templates, differential ratios, rules regulating every minute detail----please!! Someone gets a flat and gets off the track and it's still 10 laps of caution. Very few of the young guns can hold a candle to the class of the likes of Mark Martin. I don't think NASCAR will be around for the Busch's and others to mature like the old dogs. We'll see, the sport has to change direction or - Rest In Peace. I say all this with utmost sadness and regret. John
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its sad how the speed channel is now basically the nascar channel. Sure I like watching nascar once in a while, but we don't need 14 hours of nascar talk on the stupid channel.

Nascar did a good job of branding itself, now its way beyond its 'redneck' roots, and its super mainstream now.

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i liked it a lot better before fox took over, there coverage was better, and they didnt try to have all the flashy graphics and adds. if i remember right, they got in trouble when they first started coverin nascar because they taped delayed one of the race because a baseball game ran late. infact, i dont like it when fox covers anythin, when ever the sox plays the yanks, theire announcers always favor NY, ratings are the only thing they care about

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I stopped watching Nascar a while back, a few years ago I even went to a race just to see if maybe it would be more exciting if I watched it in person, and honestly it's just not got the appeal it had when I was 7. Now it seems to be nothing more than a bunch of rolling billboards driven by whiners, the only exciting thing is the crashes, and they have so much safety equitpment those are not quite as interesting... I know that's a bit of a morbid way to look at it... but it's so freakin boring now, all of my non-hick friends and I have lost total interest in it.

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I'm reading this thread and there is so much negativity towards Nascar racing. But it's all TRUE! They've even succomed to making reality shows. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Nascar racers have turned into IROC racers. They race identically prepared cars. If you never built a Nascar race car before, and you knew nothing about it, you could build one from the templates. Nascar "officials" say that they want to "level" the playing field. They say that it will make the races saver. And that it will make the races more exciting for the fans. This year there has been a number of "on track incidents" causing a record number of yellow cautions. They're always collecting someones race car from off the track! For me, that translates into a boring race because they're not racing. WEll, apparently (and of course we know) the Nascar "officials" truely don't know squat! Instead of drawing in more fans, they're loosing the ones they have. Even the drivers are leaving the series, or are threatening to. I wonder, could the drivers go on strike?
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I going to show my age here, but I remember when the only time you could see a NASCAR race on tv was on Wide World of Sports, and it was delayed a week so that you only saw about 30 minutes of racing. But you could tell what make a car was then without consulting a program because they all looked different. I believe the height of NASCAR was the late 80's and early 90's when each track negotiated its own tv contract. Once NASCAR took that over and we got Fox and NBC it went south in a hurry. I still watch each week, but I no longer have the level of interest I once had. I am not sure what the cure for this is, or if a cure is really needed. I mean everybody is making money hand over fist these days and who wants to spoil that. I just wish I could go to a race without having to take out a bank loan for tickets, hotel, etc.. I'll get down off the box now. I'm sure most everybody has heard enough and I could go on for a while. Well as we use to say may you be in heaven for a hour before the devil knows your dead!!

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I am not sure what the cure for this is, or if a cure is really needed. I mean everybody is making money hand over fist these days and who wants to spoil that. I just wish I could go to a race without having to take out a bank loan for tickets, hotel, etc.. I'll get down off the box now. I'm sure most everybody has heard enough and I could go on for a while. Well as we use to say may you be in heaven for a hour before the devil knows your dead!!

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I used to be a NASCAR nut; now I don't even watch the races anymore. It just went in a different direction that no longer interested me.
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toyota in the truck series is kind of stupid. racing was supposed to b an american sport i thought. let the japs make thier own truck series and race over there. pretty soon ull see honda in nascar with nos and huge mufflers.
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What on earth gave you the idea racing is an exclusively American sport? Ever heard of F1, Le Mans, World Rally, DTM? Porsche? Ferrari? Cosworth? McLaren? What makes you mad, that Toyota is in the truck series or that they're just as good as the domestic makes? Nice ethnic slur, BTW.

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I read the same thing. Want to know something intresting about IRL? Your car is only as good as the amount of money you throw at it, moreso than NASCAR. One team, Ferarri I think, had their own SPECIAL FUEL for their cars. In NASCAR, at least some driver skill is involved. Didn't Shawna Robinson race in a few nextel events? yeah, went NOWHERE. Partick only got as far as she did becuase her team had a ****load of money. Give any NASCAR Team that much and they could win races with any driver.

Then again look at those IRL Cars, Pushbutton shifting? come on.
Ferrari has never raced in IRL. You're thinking of F1, and I don't know whether the fuel thing is correct. And give Danica some credit. Yes, she is overexposed, but don't let the media saturation cause you to deny her legitimate talent. She made rookie mistakes, but she led a bunch of laps, and she'll win races in the future. She's a much better driver than Shawna Robinson ever was. If you're going to mock female race drivers, you'd better not forget Shirley Muldowney and Angelle Savoie.

Now, back to the issue. NASCAR needs some work. Make the cars look like cars again and get rid of all the 1.5 mile cookie cutter tracks like Kansas and Chicago, especially when they're added at the expense of tracks like North Wilkesboro and Rockingham. But NASCAR's main problem is that today's crop of drivers just don't have a tenth of the personality of guys like Harry Gant, DW, Dale, Mark Martin, Terry Labonte, Bill Elliott, Alan Kulwicki or a bunch of the others. I just can't care about whether Jimmy Johnson beats Greg Biffle or Kyle Busch.

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well in the old days they could bump and stuff and still b fast. now the smallest bump and air doesnt flow so well around u. toyota in the truck series is kind of stupid. racing was supposed to b an american sport i thought. let the japs make thier own truck series and race over there. pretty soon ull see honda in nascar with nos and huge mufflers.
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