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Guys, I have a quick question about two guns. This would be my first handgun, but being that I'm going back to New Orleans, it seems like a good time to get it. I don't know much about guns, but I know I don't want a p.o.s. I want something reliable, that will last for years and shoot straight. It will be used primarily just for practice and of course for protection. I am leaning toward a .40 caliber. With that being said, does anyone have any experience with the Glock 23 or Sig 229 models? Or for that matter if you like another model better.

I know a lot of it is your personal view (what feels good in your hand, etc.), but just thought I would try to get a little help from the experts. Thanks!
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Revolver in .357 magnum. Very powerful (I'll let you look up the specs) and you can use cheap .38s for target practice. Get a reputable brand like Ruger (my fav) or Smith & Wesson (sp).

Just remember that semi-autos can and will jam, so it's a revolver for my home protection. I know the chances of a new style semi-auto pistol with good ammo jamming is slim, but it's still there.

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While I don't own any (can't until I turn 21), I have shot a BUNCH with the school's gun club. my 3 favorite hangun calibers to shoot are the .45 ACP, .357 Mag, .40 S&W.

If you want a semi-auto, I've been a big fan of the Glocks since I first fired them. I mainly shot a Glock 21. Never had a jam with it all the time I was shooting. Just a few misfires from crappy ammunition.

Girdnerg brings up a good point about revolvers too. Not as much stuff to go wrong.

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I tottaly agree. Auto loaders are neat but a revolver is rock solid. I have a conceal carry permit I carrry a Smith and Wesson 357 magnum. For two reasons, if it gets stolen you are not out allot of money. And it will never jam in case I ever have to use it. Check out the louisiana hand gun rules. I think you can legally carry one as long as its not concealed. i don't know what your worried about we got all your criminals here in Texas. New Orleans is probably the safest city in America. if your not really expericned with handguns the revolver is the best place to start. As far as home defense nothing is better than a youth model 20 gauge pump with bird shot, close range its deadly plus it won't go through sheetrock walls.

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Thanks for the info guys. Although I agree that a revolver probably is more reliable, for one reason or another I am pretty set on a semi-auto. Plus with a higher quality piece that is well taken care of with quality ammo I can't imagine too many jamming problems, of course I know that 1 is too many.

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Check out the louisiana hand gun rules. I think you can legally carry one as long as its not concealed. i don't know what your worried about we got all your criminals here in Texas. New Orleans is probably the safest city in America.
You are correct that we can carry them as long as it's not concealed.

Oh yeah, thanks for the Texas generosity in taking all of our trash. From what I hear, 3 out of 4 of the ones they sent to Houston are not planning on returning. Have fun!
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........As far as home defense nothing is better than a youth model 20 gauge pump with bird shot, close range its deadly plus it won't go through sheetrock walls.
There's a lot of sense in that statement. Only downside I can even think of is that the 20 gauge might not be as "mobile", meaning quick to point, aim, fire, etc. But I imagine that practice would minimize that problem. Definitely don't want things going through walls and hitting those you are trying to protect.


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Glock 9mms are very relaible guns, hell almost every PD uses them, also a fav of criminals. Asked my uncle about them once (they use them on the force) says they are very good

Dont go smaller than .40, .38s dont have much stopping power. For personal protection a snub-nose .357 mag is perfect, very reliable, will stop anything and easy to conceal.

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There's a lot of sense in that statement. Only downside I can even think of is that the 20 gauge might not be as "mobile", meaning quick to point, aim, fire, etc. But I imagine that practice would minimize that problem. Definitely don't want things going through walls and hitting those you are trying to protect.
Plus, if he went with a "youth" model, they tend to be shorter, easy to manuever (sp?) in close quarters. I'd never actually thought about using a youth model before. Makes sense though.

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........As far as home defense nothing is better than a youth model 20 gauge pump with bird shot, close range its deadly plus it won't go through sheetrock walls.



There's a lot of sense in that statement. Only downside I can even think of is that the 20 gauge might not be as "mobile", meaning quick to point, aim, fire, etc. But I imagine that practice would minimize that problem. Definitely don't want things going through walls and hitting those you are trying to protect
Shoot prairie chicken for a while and youd be amazed how fast you can get a shotgun up and aimed.

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lol As I said, practice, practice, practice.


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This is only a little off topic. On the way over here this week (I'm in Hutch KS) I saw a classic redneck style pickup. slight lift, gun rack, duals, etc. bumper stickers advertising policital preferences. Then in the window he has a "Beretta" sticker. Nothing against Beretta's, I hear they are great guns. But it just struck me how the same "All pro American Iron" type of person (and I know I'm way over in stereotype territory here, don't even know the guy) is advertising his love of Italian firearms. I would have expected a sticker that said "Remingon" or "Winchester". LOL Just an observation. Back to the original topic now.


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Believe it or not, CCI makes shotshells for the popular pistol calibers.
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........As far as home defense nothing is better than a youth model 20 gauge pump with bird shot, close range its deadly plus it won't go through sheetrock walls.
usually all it takes is someone hearing that pump action sound and they ***** themselves and leave. i have relatives that work as prison guards and thats the one thing that all the inmates fear.
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My .02...

Sig 229 .40 cal all the way. I carried a Glock 23 .40 when we went away from the 9mm in 97. It was nice, buy the Sig is the best gun I've ever carried. Unfortunately I'm stuck with a Beretta right now, but that is the ONLY gun issued over here. But, I carried it in the Military so I remember how it shoots.

.40 cal has almost as much stopping power as the .45, and almost the speed of the 9mm, so it is a great round. (Especially in the Sig).

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usually all it takes is someone hearing that pump action sound and they ***** themselves and leave. i have relatives that work as prison guards and thats the one thing that all the inmates fear.
Way back my great uncle was a guard (when they still carried weapons) he said the same thing. Anything ever got outta hand just give it a pump and everything calmed down. I dont think anyone who B&Es is gonna stick around too long after hearing that.

I do love the one I saw in the SIR catalouge, 12 guage called the "Persuader", hell seeing that thing would persuade anyone to do what you want.

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Sig 229 .40 cal all the way. I carried a Glock 23 .40 when we went away from the 9mm in 97. It was nice, buy the Sig is the best gun I've ever carried. Unfortunately I'm stuck with a Beretta right now, but that is the ONLY gun issued over here. But, I carried it in the Military so I remember how it shoots.

.40 cal has almost as much stopping power as the .45, and almost the speed of the 9mm, so it is a great round. (Especially in the Sig).
Thanks for your inut. Although I am not set between these two models, I am mostly set on a .40 semi-auto. I was leaning toward the Glock, again I don't know too much, but I will definitely check out the Sig as well.

Thanks also for the input on the shotgun. I should have mentioned that since in Louisiana we can carry them without a permit, I really want a hand gun since I plan to take it with me often in the car. As long as it is in sight or you tell the officer that stops you, all is fine. I know Paddycake on here used to carry his Glock 22 in the passengers seat just about everywhere he went.

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a revolver is rock solid. I have a conceal carry permit I carrry a Smith and Wesson 357 magnum. For two reasons, if it gets stolen you are not out allot of money. And it will never jam in case I ever have to use it.
No casings either

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"This is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun built" (I think thats how it goes)


Blow through an engine block lol.

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You can cary the shotgun in the car. Most people can't hit the broad side of a barn with a pistol. Now the old shot gun is a differnt story !!!!

A user called the Louisiana State Police and was told state law considers your car an extension of the home, similar to Florida with their glove box law. Carrying a loaded gun in the car is an accepted practice there.


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My personal favorite carry/home defense gun is the Glock 21. What you choose depends on your intentions and habits. So far I concur with most of the suggestions given. Because I have kids in the house, I use the box and lock seen in the picture. The key is kept on my key chain and a spare in a hidden location not even my wife knows about. I have more guns than you have fingers, but they are kept unloaded and seperate from the ammo. The .45 Glock however is never more than 1 foot away from me, unless I leave it at home, then it gets locked up. With the Glock there is no hammer to get hung up on something and no safety mechanism to forget to unlock. I carry with a round in the chamber, so if I point and squeeze the trigger, someone is gonna have a bad day. I train people to shoot as part of my job. I shoot thousands of rounds each year. I don't miss. With good habits and lots of practice almost anyone can become very proficient.

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A .45 will stop anyting dead in its tracks. Not sure about the Glock .45, but I know the Colt .45 is too much gun for many people to handle, one hell of gun though.

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A .45 will stop anyting dead in its tracks. Not sure about the Glock .45, but I know the Colt .45 is too much gun for many people to handle, one hell of gun though.
Recoil is comparable between a 1911 (Kimber something) and Glock 21. I actually felt a little less with the 1911 (my guess is more mass, but physics isn't my strong point). The 1911 is narrower than the glock too (mainly because of the single stack mag vs. the double stack mag). Either one is fun to shoot

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For home defense, nothing beats a shotgun. Especially since you can keep the tube loaded since it's impossible for a little kid to rack the slide. The last thing you want in a home defensive situation is to have to find your weapon, open the lock, load it and hope the intruder hasn't shot you or your family yet.

Mossberg makes a wall mount which I also have, that allows you to mount a shottie to the wall, and keeps the trigger completely hidden, also so you can keep it ready to go, minus racking the slide.

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A .45 will stop anyting dead in its tracks. Not sure about the Glock .45, but I know the Colt .45 is too much gun for many people to handle, one hell of gun though.

too much gun my ***. My 5'2" mother can put 7 rounds in the bullseye on a 25 yard NRA slow fire target with my 1911. I learned to shoot that colt when I was 12.




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Guess you got tougher people down there, people usually ***** about the recoil of the .45 Colt. Fired one once, didnt bother me at all.

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also so you can keep it ready to go, minus racking the slide.
Which alone will scare off damn near anyone

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Guess you got tougher people down there, people usually ***** about the recoil of the .45 Colt. Fired one once, didnt bother me at all.

when you learn with big guns and regularly shoot a 1903 Springfield, only stuff attached to vehicles are big recoil to me.




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