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Toyota to join Nextel cup in 2007

Well, can't say I'm suprised

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you can check out the press release if you have Adobe Acrobat. I think the 2007 season is going to be intresting...
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As much as I hate the post-'01 NASCAR stuff.... TOYOTA AIN'T AMERICAN!!

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I say more power to them. IMO, Toyota is just as American as ford, chrysler, or GM right now (in some cases, moreso). If they can come in and compete, I say let them. Maybe ford will wake up when they get their butts handed to them by a Camry.

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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, more competition is always better, but on the other hand...It's friggin Toyota. Racing a CAMRY. This is what I really don't like about NASCAR. At least the Thunderbird stock cars reflected the RWD platform of the cars, and actually had V8's. These days... the Fusion... makes my head want to explode.
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They should be competitive. After all, they got to build a clean sheet pushrod V8 race engine since they never had one in a production vehicle. Something the American manufacturers with their production based engines never got.

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They should be competitive. After all, they got to build a clean sheet pushrod V8 race engine since they never had one in a production vehicle. Something the American manufacturers with their production based engines never got.
I'm just curious, what engine do the ford teams use for the basis for their race programs? 5.4L?
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What in the good lords name does toyota not being " american" have to do with Nascar? I didn't know that Stock car racing was just an american sport.
To be quite honest, stock car racing hasn't been using anything close to stock for at least 20 years.

oh well its about time the big three get thier aces kicked racing as well as on the sales floor.

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What in the good lords name does toyota not being " american" have to do with Nascar? I didn't know that Stock car racing was just an american sport.
To be quite honest, stock car racing hasn't been using anything close to stock for at least 20 years.

oh well its about time the big three get thier aces kicked racing as well as on the sales floor.

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NASCAR is the United States racing division, and has always been strictly American vehicles. They had to fight a long battle to get the Tundra into the truck division, and they only succeeded because of the technicality that the Tundra was only built in the US. I'm not saying keep it to the same boring vehicles that they have, but keep it American at least. What's next? Mini? Smart? Civic? Beetle?

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NASCAR is the United States racing division, and has always been strictly American vehicles. They had to fight a long battle to get the Tundra into the truck division, and they only succeeded because of the technicality that the Tundra was only built in the US. I'm not saying keep it to the same boring vehicles that they have, but keep it American at least. What's next? Mini? Smart? Civic? Beetle?
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why do we have to keep it american, its not like they are keeping it stock or even close to stock, i dont know of anyone that can purchase a rwd taurus from their local dealership. let alone a tube framed, v8
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Though I see NASCAR as being all-american, I think this will probably actually be better in the long run. Competition inspires inginuity, which propels engineers and R&D into designing newer, better, and more efficient designs. Look at the PC, the PC is constantly changing because each company has to one up the next to stay in business. Sure some company may come around with a new product in a certain market and go bottom's up in 18 months... but with the rise/fall of that company and its product, it contributes to competition. Maybe Toyota will whoop Ford's a$$, maybe they'll disappear in a few years, but in any event it'll be good in the spirit of competition and advancement

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I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, more competition is always better, but on the other hand...It's friggin Toyota. Racing a CAMRY. This is what I really don't like about NASCAR. At least the Thunderbird stock cars reflected the RWD platform of the cars, and actually had V8's. These days... the Fusion... makes my head want to explode.
yeah, but its just a fiberglass shell of a camry, everything else is basically the same **** as every other team, just with different adjustments and drivers. ill laugh my *** off when toyota ingenuity and precision with under a year of expertise starts handing out asswhoopings to teams whove been in nascar from the start. maybe honduh will come in and well have pushrod V8's with VTEC just flying by the others(joke btw )

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You gotta admit, it would be funny to see a Lexus at Daytona. Perhaps they will bring a bit of class to the normal red-neck crowd? NASCAR has sucked for a long time anyway. They're not stock, too many cry-babies, and all they do is turn left anyway?!

Go ahead Toyota, jump in and stir things up. Maybe NASCAR will be interesting again.

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Camry is made in Georgetown Ky (ie. USA).
Fusion is made somewhere in Canada.
Why does it even matter? They all have the same body on the track. Without the paint and stickers you can't tell one apart from the other. The "new" Fusion looks exactly like the Taurus did without graphics. I wish they would go back to making the cars look like they do on the road. I kinda like watching those Austrailian V8 Supercars on Speed channel, they look stock with stock engines ect.

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NASCAR has been far from stock for a long time. The engine and sheet metal profile is really the only difference. A number of years ago Rusty Wallace made his Fords Dodges by changing the motor and sheet metal profile. That Camry will be larger than the typical Camry and if they are not competitive they will whine and NASCAR will give them some concessions, same if one make is dominate, they will have to run a bigger spoiler or something to slow them down. Toyota has paid their dues in the Truck series, so NASCAR had to throw them a bone for the big buck series. They will take a vehicle the same as the truck series and put on Camry looking sheet metal and they have a Nextel Cup car.
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yeah, but its just a fiberglass shell of a camry, everything else is basically the same **** as every other team, just with different adjustments and drivers. ill laugh my *** off when toyota ingenuity and precision with under a year of expertise starts handing out asswhoopings to teams whove been in nascar from the start. maybe honduh will come in and well have pushrod V8's with VTEC just flying by the others(joke btw )

you watch TV much? when is the last time any of those body panels on the Cup cars were fiberglass? its frickin sheetmetal thomas...and uh FYI, engineering and precision by toyota? the teams build and tweak the motors under the given rules they have, Hendrick doesnt have about 3million in CNC equipment in the engine shop for chvey to tell them what to design.




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Just sit back and videotape the "fireworks" for CNN...
Don, you aren't talking about me are you LOL. Not the ricer, but the beer drinking bbq eating good old boy. We have tents and a bbq smoker on a trailer but not a motorhome. I think it will be a while before you see ricers at a NASCAR race, NOPI is more there thing. NASCAR is trying to diversify though, 2 years ago at Talladega there was a black guy (from Huntsville of course) with a group next to us in the infield and guess what - the next day they had a picture of him cooking chicken on a small kettle grill on the front page of the Anniston Star.
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Camry is made in Georgetown Ky (ie. USA).
Fusion is made somewhere in Canada.
Oh, Charger is also made in Canada.

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Oh, Charger is also made in Canada.

No wonder it's ugly and sucks.

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I'm just curious, what engine do the ford teams use for the basis for their race programs? 5.4L?
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I was just about to say, Camrys are built in Kentucky, so you can forget about that "un-American" crap. Besides, what difference does it make, anyhow? NASCAR's been completely making over their image for years, it was only inevitable that a foreign brand got into the game.

What I want to see is Cadillac put one of their cars into competition (there was a rendering of a CTS stock car in Hot Rod a year or two ago). Just something to piss off the good ol' boys some more.
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I don't think you will see a Cadillac in NASCAR for the same reason you saw a Taurus instead of a MarkVIII in NASCAR in 1998. There was rumor of such when the stopped making the Tbird. NASCAR has grass roots type fans and I don't think any manufacturer wants to deal with more than one type of car in the races anymore. Gone are the days when Pontiac, Chevy, Oldsmobile and Buick all had entries.
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Or even Chevy and Pontiac. But the way the cars are now, it's almost like IROC.
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Camry's are assembled in KY. The controlling interests as well as all the support jobs are foreign. It's not the assembly jobs that make the difference here, it's the 6-7 supplier's jobs for every one assembler that are involved in American companies that aren't in Toyota or Honda.

I work for Worthington Ind. We supply processed steel to several companies. Those companies supply finished parts to other companies. Those companies assemble those parts into sub-assemblies that then go to the car manufacturer's assembly facility. All of those support jobs are here in the USA with American car companies. Not the case with imports. Just because Honda and Toyota assemble cars here doesn't make them American.

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So is the Canadian made Fusion or Charger still an American car??? Nothing is really made 100% in any country anymore. Welcome to a world economy! Its NASCAR, they are a business, and just like every other business they are out to make money. The NFL did it with Reebok and EA Sports! Money talks.

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Last time I checked, neither of the "A"s in "NASCAR" stood for "American," so I say it's about damn time a foreign (or whatever the hell you want to call it) car got into it.
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