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Ford making another mistake!!!

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Wow, wonder what there 'big plans' are?!

Don't know about Ford these days, I just hope that they can turn the company around. As of right now, I see them falling down hill and Chrysler is running up hill! GM is just standing at the top waiting to see what happens with a confused look on their face...lol! (this is the domestic only side of the hill of course, the imports are on the other side). This is in SALES, not my opinion on the brands or anything!

I will stick with FORD till the end though! Not sying there will ever be an end, but who knows these days.


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Yea, with Ford wanting to do away with the mini van and maybe the Ranger they are going fast. Too many people loosing jobs at Ford plants. GM also seems to be going down. Not that I am a big fan, but Toyota and imports are kicking their butts. Better start competing before its too late.
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GM is just standing at the top waiting to see what happens with a confused look on their face...lol! (this is the domestic only side of the hill of course, the imports are on the other side). This is in SALES, not my opinion on the brands or anything!
GM is looking at probably bankruptcy within a decade. Just this week they cut their dividends in half along with ALL of upper managements’ salaries. Most salaries were cut by 50% (including the CEO's) with other managers taking a 10% to 30% pay cut. GM's stocks have been labled as "junk" by the major brokers.

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Anyone with 1/2 a business mind knows that when a company has extra money (profit) you have two options 1) buy back stock/bonds or 2) dividends. The fact that GM has any dividends at all just exemplifies the stupidity of Wagner and the other execcutives.

Also, Wagner made about 8 million last year including incentives, stock options and bonuses. Wow, he's only making 4 mil next year. What suffering. {sarcasm off}

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GM will probably merge with another company instead of go bankrupt. That way they can stiff the union and get out of pensions and health insurance for retirees. That is the problem with buying foreign cars and from companies that move jobs off shore to be competitive with foreign companies. Kind of a catch 22, we all want the cheapest price but we can end up losing our jobs because of it. Glad I work on DOD projects, no foreigners are allowed if they are not citizens of the US. Of course the next presidential election may reduce DOD jobs too.
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i said it once and no one listened. Bill Ford wasnt meant to stay, he keeps putting in family members to run the show and the performance guys are butting heads with Henry's great granddaughter, who thinks performance vehicles are a waste....she is part of the reason why. we can talk about how cool it would be to have another super fast tbird, but lests face it, ford is creating a common denominator product line, the niche is the mustang and thats it. ford has failed at attracting the mainstream because it has not pressed the issue. Its marque is/was a car that fetches almost 200k at a dealership, it has created a buzz on someone no one can attain. GM and Daimler-Chrysler has been successful(to a point) because of cars like the Vette, the GTO, and the Magnum/Charger/300C/Hemi'd cars. ford is seriously lacking in overall market analysis and has turned itself into the pickup/SUV manufacturer.....




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well those three cars have to do with the closing of the wixom assembly plant

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I really don't see why they would discontiue the GT. It has to be profitable. I understand the SVT Sport Trac, that would probably not sell all that great anyway. I bet they are just getting rid of the LS. It is old and they will probably just replace it, maybe, and it will most likely be replaced with a FWD car. Has anyone noticed that all Lincolns are getting the MK (as in Mark). The Zepher is being changed to the MKZ.

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Never mind, heres the new MKS. http://lincoln.com/reachhigher/. The LS replacement.

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isnt the Gt going to be unable to pass emissions after 07, and thats the reason they are canning it?
95% of the Gt is assembled in a saleen shop in dearborn, they send the car up to wixom to put on a few trim pieces so the uaw can say they built it, so the wixom plant closing cant be the reason...(good article in car and driver last year about the GT)
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Ford has always been a truck company that also produced cars. Only it used to be successfull cars, that people wanted and could afford which= sales.

I dunno what exactly has happened there, but getting rid of the Ranger? Those trucks are all over the road. They have had hugely successful vehicles but they seem to stop caring and let it fall behind the competition. (Taurus, Explorer, Windstar etc) Then try to introduce a new model.

Selling over 1,000 "supercars" in one year is impressive, the Adrenaline could have been a seller if they had the brains to market it right. Strange how Dodge can be so successful with the performance truck/SUV idea and Ford cant even get them into production. Makes ya wonder if it really is the vehicles that are a waste....

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I'm wondering how DCX can have their Charger/300C/Magnum vehicles be so wildly popular (and everyone chomping at the bit for the new Challenger) while Ford and GM are left with blank stares on their faces. I mean, IMO GM has too many irons in the SUV fire, but...what's the problem with these companies? Why don't they get it?
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When the Ford GT came out, it was only going to be on a 3 year run. Guess what, when it ends production, it will be after 3 years. I am not surprised with that move by Ford.

As for the other complaints. I don't really have an opinion yet.
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If ya wanna Ford, ya better go out and get one asap. Pretty soon, there will be no such thing as Ford or any American car for that matter. Everything will be Toyota, Honda, etc and now I hear China will be sending cars over (puts flame suit on) It's a good thing we got rid of the political thread

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I won't miss any of those vehicles.
The GT and SVT are image builders and, while I do feel that image is extremely important in terms of the automobile market, Ford loses money on every one they produce.
The LS is a great car, but Ford priced it out of this world. For the last 4 years the loaded V8's have been sitting on lots and only sell with discounts of $8,000 or more. For example: my mother bought a brand new 2003 V8 sport, that had a sticker of $47K, as a leftover for only $29K. Discounts like that can put even the most profitable company in huge financial trouble.

I don't feel any sorrow toward the financial hardship these American car companies are in ( although I feel sorry for the employees and the general economy.) The writing was on the wall for the last 5+ years and they refused to change their lineup. Bottom line is if want want a decent newer car, you have to buy foreign. And it isn't because the Japanese have some magic formula; it's because they build cars. In the last several years there have been no American cars to choose from. Trucks yes, cars no.
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dont know what the hell Ford is up 2. i personally thought they got it right when i heard they was going to produce to the GT. but after reading that article i can see y they are goin to end production. for a brand new car, a supercar at that, you would expect that there would be no problems. as if they were rushing to get the car out there to the public. the ls is actually a good car, the replacement for it is not bad at all. if ford wants to get it right, they need to bring in outside help. they invested soo much time into trucks they are forgetting their car division. who's the idiot who wants to get rid of the supercar anyway? what they need to do is to bring back the svt division and start building cars thats not boring.
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Why chastise Ford for dropping the GT when not one person in this thread will ever be able to logically afford one. Just because it gives you a 'feel good' tingle that they have a 'supercar' in the lineup means nothing in relation to the company's future outlook.

I'll tell you what Ford did wrong. Not having plans for introducing the Fusion during their 100 year anniversary (and discontinuing the Taurus then).
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I don't feel any sorrow toward the financial hardship these American car companies are in ( although I feel sorry for the employees and the general economy.) The writing was on the wall for the last 5+ years and they refused to change their lineup. Bottom line is if want want a decent newer car, you have to buy foreign. And it isn't because the Japanese have some magic formula; it's because they build cars. In the last several years there have been no American cars to choose from. Trucks yes, cars no.
I don't know if I agree with that. Toyota in the past 3 years has had major recalls on a substantial amount of vehicles( 4 million vehicles in NA ). When an import company announces a recall, they don't get bashed in the media and it hardly makes the news. What happens when Ford or GM announce a recall, they get bashed in the media, it is well known knowledge. My personal opinion, Toyota builds junk, I have seen brand new Lexus's go in for broken components that I would not expect on a $80,000.00 CDN priced car. A common defect on the Lexus LS400 is broken interior door handles. It is a perceived quality issue, everyone THINKS the imports are better quality compared to domestics where it is not always the case.
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They've got no excitement in their brands. The new DCX LX cars are all-new and damn cool (with powerful and REALLY powerful engine options). GM sorta got that with their new V8 midsize cars, but they don't hype them enough. Ford...bah. I can't name one Ford car that's really exicted me lately (the Mustang did for a time, but it was short lived).

I know I'm not really important in Ford's eyes because I won't be able to buy a new car from them for a long time, but I'm already planning on buying an old used Charger in 5-8 years. The T-birds will be too by then to find a decent one around here, and the Mustang...I dunno. Point is, DCX's cars already have me planning on getting one years from now, and that's the kind of magic Ford needs now.
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It is a perceived quality issue, everyone THINKS the imports are better quality compared to domestics where it is not always the case.
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Also I don't really like the fact that Toyota is getting away with lying to the US public. Chevrolet was the #1 selling brand in N/A in 2005, yet Toyota makes the claim they were. The only way Toyota outsold Chevrolet is that they counted the Scion sales as part of Toyota's. If that is the case, it should be total GM sales against total Toyota sales and then it is not even close.

Also 2005, Toyota and Honda were caught over stating the HP of their cars. A Toyota Camry 3.0 V6 in 2005 made 210HP, same motor, same drivetrain now in 2006 makes 192HP. I could go on, they should go back to the huge taxes that the Import companies had to pay as a penalty for the crap they are getting away with now.
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funny how Japan is protected by tariffs and regulations and the US isnt, aint it?
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I don't know if I agree with that. Toyota in the past 3 years has had major recalls on a substantial amount of vehicles( 4 million vehicles in NA ). When an import company announces a recall, they don't get bashed in the media and it hardly makes the news. What happens when Ford or GM announce a recall, they get bashed in the media, it is well known knowledge. My personal opinion, Toyota builds junk, I have seen brand new Lexus's go in for broken components that I would not expect on a $80,000.00 CDN priced car. A common defect on the Lexus LS400 is broken interior door handles. It is a perceived quality issue, everyone THINKS the imports are better quality compared to domestics where it is not always the case.
Well IMO you cannot put all imports into the catagory of "everyone THINKS the imports are better quality compared to domestics". Maybe Jap crap, but also IMO most european crap have more "quality" than most American products. Of course you pay for it too. I am sorry to say that but you just can't hold toyata accountable for the entire import market.

Everyone is saying not to worry and that American automakers are never going anywhere. Yeah... thats what folks like us were saying 30+ years ago when the VW bug came out. looks to me like imports have "boomed" over the past twenty years or so. Imagine what it could be like in another 20 years...?? There are 3 BIG American automakers and one is already owned by benz (did they split yet ) . Well how many import companies are out there???

I am in no way sticking up for imports, I myself hate 99% of them. I am just stating that the American Automakers need to get their act together if they plan to be around in a couple of decades. And I am not talking about merging with another company! We may know the truth about the crap the japs sell but obviously most of the people in the world don't!

Alright ...lol! Now that I got that out, don't want to start a flame war of any sort. Just sharing my thoughts!

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Think about it, DCX has the Hemi, a nice engine, thats a v-8, everyone likes it. Ford, ohhhh V-6, so what, and their biggest v-8 in a car is 4.6l of course. Americans basically want V-8's. GM is catching on adding the northstar v-8 to buick, and their small block v-8's to the new impala and monte carlo, and the grand prix. But, those names are boring, so there not doing so well. As for DCX, Charger, 300C, Magnum, and here soon the Challenger. Gotta love the V-8's 8-)

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I think the Fusion is a great start for ford, I just HOPE they don't screw it up and NOT release an AWD version (which they might not since they have an AWD crossover Utility coming out on the same chassis). I chose not to get an 06' Fusion because there was suppose to be an AWD coming for 07' AND the new 3.5L. A 250hp 3.5L AWD Fusion would be a great car. Also I see Ford/Volvo are going to start using that 4.4L Yamaha V8 in a few vehicals.

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The Fusion can be a good model to compete in the mid size family market. But I still think they need models that excite people, like Chryslers SRT line and the "HEMI". Right now they have nothing that really stands out from the competition.

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I think that AWD Fusion, if it does come out, will use the same 'quasi' AWD system that the SPEED6 uses.
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