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So, my freind Bob was driving home yesterday when he did something stupid. A bus stopped in the middle of the road. Bob thought it was slowing down for a turn, so he got in the other lane, not speeding. The bus stopped and put it's lights on and sign out. Bob didn't have time to stop. He ran past the bus. The bus pulled up next to Bob. Feeling like a moron, Bob waved and said sorry to the bus driver, who didn't look pleased. Can or will the bus driver report Bob for this? Is Bob screwed?

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So "Bob" is now at the will of the bus driver. The bus driver will probably not do anything. Wish "Bob" the best of luck for me. LOL

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The bus driver has every right to report your friend. You're supposed to always assume the bus is going to stop to drop off or pick up kids. When I was in high school, my bus ended up getting hit by some teen in a red sports car. There have also been several other instances where someone was injured or nearly injured because of someone not stopping for a bus.

General rule of thumb: If you see red lights on a bus, treat it like a stop light.

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I can remember being in middle school and my bus driver calling in license plates and info on cars that ran his lights. Seeing that "Bob" really was sorry and was apparently not really driving recklessly, maybe nothing will come of it.

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So at what speed did Bob, "not have time to stop"? On any road where a bus is stopping to pick up/drop off, it's not going to be more than 45. I'm guessing more like 30 in this case. You can stop from 30 in the length of the bus. If he saw the sign come out, he had time to stop. Unless he was already passing it, in which case the bus was not already stopped, there would be no kids getting off yet. I think Bob screwed up and is making excuses. (like when I told the cop it was cold, and I was shivering, making my foot slide off the brake, that's why I rolled the stop sign in front of him.)


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As pathetic as it sounds i am in training to become a bus driver , so to anser your question you could get in trouble if he got your plates and reported you. Chances of the driver doing that are slim if the kids were not exiting the bus yet..

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General rule of thumb: If you see red lights on a bus, treat it like a stop light.
I think the point was the lights weren't on until it was too late to stop....


Cops can't do JACK about someone running a bus's red lights unless they actually see it happen, so the driver can report it if he wants, but the cops can't do anything.

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However your friend merely has to deny it 100% since there was no collision and it would never stand up in court............
So much for taking responsibility for one's actions....

Go ahead, lie in court.... always a good idea. Who do you think a judge will believe?

Sort of says a lot about someone's character.

Maybe things have changed, but when I was in school, our school bus had yellow and red lights. When the bus is slowing down, a partial "pop" of the door handle would turn on the yellow lights. Which means the bus is getting ready to stop and you're supposed to be ready to stop. Then when the bus stopped, the door opened, the red ligths came on, and the little "stop sign" pops out.

But hey, maybe in the last 25 years things have changed.

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But hey, maybe in the last 25 years things have changed.
When I was growing up, cars had turn signals too. Most of them don't now adays. Point is, don't count out laziness about the yellow lights having been turned on.

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When I was growing up, cars had turn signals too. Most of them don't now adays. Point is, don't count out laziness about the yellow lights having been turned on.
Good point! So I guess the lack of using turn signals isn't just an AL phenomenon!!

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Good point! So I guess the lack of using turn signals isn't just an AL phenomenon!!
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So at what speed did Bob, "not have time to stop"? On any road where a bus is stopping to pick up/drop off, it's not going to be more than 45. I'm guessing more like 30 in this case. You can stop from 30 in the length of the bus. If he saw the sign come out, he had time to stop. Unless he was already passing it, in which case the bus was not already stopped, there would be no kids getting off yet. I think Bob screwed up and is making excuses. (like when I told the cop it was cold, and I was shivering, making my foot slide off the brake, that's why I rolled the stop sign in front of him.)

the posted limit on the Highway where I live is 60mph and the local School bus makes many stops along this highway. Remember, COUNTRY children need to get to school too.

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Good point! So I guess the lack of using turn signals isn't just an AL phenomenon!!
It's also phenomenon in Indiana/Illinois/Tennessee/Kentucky/Georgia/North Carolina/Ohio . . . do I need to go on?

(Not picking on just these states, they're just the ones I've lived in/driven in recently.)

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It's also phenomenon in Indiana/Illinois/Tennessee/Kentucky/Georgia/North Carolina/Ohio . . . do I need to go on?

(Not picking on just these states, they're just the ones I've lived in/driven in recently.)

I think turn signals are an option on cars sold here. Also I dont know about there, but buses here dont put on the lights till they stop the the sign and arm pop out.

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Since I know all the cops here in our little town, I just picked up the phone to see what our Chief had to say. He said:

If the person who "ran the bus" was blatant/dangerous/late/etc enough when doing so, the driver will probably report him. The protocol for Colorado (and most specifically Garfield Co) is that the driver has been instructed to remain at a stop where the incident happened until they: write down the license # of offending vehicle, the make/model/color of vehicle, description of person driving, location and time of incident. They then proceed on their route and when returning to the bus barn, they fill out a form specifically for such incidents.

He said the report is then mailed to the town police dept. closest to where the incident happened. When they get these reports (happens more than you think, he said!) they send an officer to the registered owner's house. They ask who was driving on such day/time/etc. When they figure out who was driving (matching physical description of bus driver) they write that person a ticket.

That person is then REQUIRED to go to court. Since the infraction is taken very seriously by judges/town attorneys/etc. (uhh, it's a bus, kids getting on/off- lots of them very young and stupid about crossing streets, etc) they won't negotiate it down. If you wish to deny you commited the infraction, they will set a court date for you to take it to trial (either judge or jury trial - your choice).

During said trial, the bus driver will come in and testify against you. "That's him/her. She/he did not stop for the bus". Who do you think the judge/jury is gonna believe?

Here, busses have yellow/red lights that blink for quite a while in warning of preparing for a stop - they come on automatically when the driver reaches for the handle that pushes out the little stop sign on the side (and in some newer busses, the "arm" that goes out in front of the bus). It's automatic...and it's done quite a distance (and time) from when the bus actually comes to a complete stop. Once you see those lights, you are required to stop.

Bottom line? Bob could very well get a ticket. It will stand up in court. Courts take driving by stopping/stopped busses very seriously (as they should!). Bus drivers make very credible witnesses in the event of a trial.

One last note: I asked our Chief about an incident I had about a year ago with a stopping bus. I was driving toward the bus on a two-lane residental street in our neighborhood when, as I approached, I got to about where my front end was pretty close to the buss's front end. The lights came on and the stop sign was starting to move slowly out. I had no time to really react - even though I was only going about 20-25 mph. I did brake pretty hard but by then I was actually past the bus and just proceeded to drive on. (I was actually freaked out a bit - no, I never was contacted or given a citation!) I asked if the bus driver would typically report that kind of thing.... he said, no, usually not, as it wasn't a blantant disregard of the warning lights/signs or dangerous as the bus was just beginning to stop. Timing of the "pass" seems to be one of the key issues in these types of situations. Well, that, at the driver's perception of the event, I guess.

For future reference, you might tell your friend, Bob, to slow down when he is driving by/near a school bus. :-)

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Oh, and one last thing! I asked about ANY person reporting ANY traffic infraction. Say some dick is driving like a maniac down the highway, it's truly frightening and downright dangerous. I call 911 on the cell to report - having tags, car info and at least some kind of driver description. They CAN write the guy a ticket on MY report - either by catching him further down the highway or paying him a visit to his house.

Now, again, the driver can deny till the cows come home but he CAN be given a citation! If he tries, he might be able to plead his case with the DA/town attorney/whomever and get it lowered to a lesser infraction. But, it if insists he didn't do anything wrong and refuses to "deal" , he'll have to go to a trial. *I* , as the "reporter/witness of any such infraction" would be required to testify against him.... or, if I don't, then it would most likely be dismissed.

The single exception to this "citizens report" (or bus driver's report) is DUI. Even if I see some car weaving so badly, so obviously under the influence (or sleepy, etc) that there is no mistaking it's a DUI, it must be observed by a police officer. Unless the officer actually catches the driver behind the wheel, keys in ignition, motor running..... he's gonna get off. If he's been home for even just one minute before the officer arrives on a citizen's report, he can claim he downed a quart of whiskey the moment he walked in the door.

Just a little FYI.

Keep your noses clean, kids. :-) The average "Joe Citizen" can report your really bad driving... and you can get a ticker for it much later! You can only hope they aren't willing to follow through and testify against you in court if you choose to fight it.

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With all do respect, if the bus driver can capture all this information from a MOVING vehicle at the SAME time they are driving the bus, then defendant attorney will have a field day with them on the cross exam.

I understand what you and the others are saying, I don't condone this by any means, but I know the reality if this gets into a court room if defendant and/or attorney has a good head on their shoulders. ANY reasonable doubt, and you are innocent in this country thankfully. If the bus was still moving at the time of the incident (obviously not in this particular case) then even the defendant attorney deposition will not go well for the bus driver I imagine.
Well... , Bieng that i AM ( just passed my cdl about an hour ago ) A school bus driver, by law in a <35 mph zone we are required to do our 8 way orange flashers for 300 feet. The length of a footbal field, that is a long time to see a car coming at you or driving alng side of you. Pleanty of time to get a plate and a color of the car. Once we stop our red light and stop sign come out. We discussed this is class today and there were around 12-15 tickets a week last simester. It is our job to give a safe trip to these kids, to and from school. and with stuff like this happening it makes it very hard to do..


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I did something similar but totally not my fault. I was coming down hill and a bus was going up and just started to stop. I mean I went past going the other way and the bus hadn't even had the stop sign out all the way yet. So as I go past, slowing down but couldn't suddenly stop because of traffic this old guy stops mowing his lawn to raise both hand screaming at me "Watch out for the kids". After that I was wondering if the kids were going to start jumping off the bus before it was fully stopped or what.
Never heard of the bus drivers actually reporting anything like that but I guess if you piss them off enough that can.

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Most likely, if a bus driver is willing to commit the time to come into court, testify, having written down all the relevant info, he'll be a very credible witness. Judges/juries will believe him. But, hey, you can always try. And, in the end, if paying for an attorney, wasting a lot of time away from work, etc. is your cuppa tea, go for it.

By the time you've gotten to the trial/attorney (if you really want to pay big bucks for one) stage, you've spent tons more money than the fine/possible insurance rate raise would ever cost ya. Not to mention all those lost wages, travel/gas expenses, stress, multiple trips to courthouse, etc. etc. We're talking a 3-4 pt ticket and (I'm guessing) around a $100-150 fine.

But, the point I was making is this: The bus driver CAN report a driver. If the bus driver does report a driver, the police WILL issue a ticket. And the driver will HAVE to go to court. (This is one of those types of tickets where you are required to go to court as opposed to mailing in a set fine before a specified date)

What happens AFTER that first court date is a matter of choice on the part of the defendant. My gut feeling is.... good luck, pal! :-)

When it comes to hit/run accidents (especially on private property - ie parking lots, etc) the cops usually won't do anything but make a report. Well, unless there is really serious propery damage or personal injury. That's just the way it is with regard to such incidents . Having just gone through something similar regarding accidents/parking lots with the male child, the report usually proves fault - even if the other guys denies it. No need for a citation, in the end. (even though a hit/run ticket for the person in your accident guy sure would have FELT better, I'm sure!) You did have a police report made, didn't you?? (even if they didn't get the other guy's statement)

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^ thanks for the information all. Yeah he fells really dumb for running that bus and is a defensive driver. If Bob gets **** for it, he's jsut gonna pay the money and be done with it. No use lying in court. It's been in the back of his mind for the last week, and he's learned his lesson and is hopeing to get off this one time. BTW, how long is it useally before you get something in the mail bout' it if you are issued a ticket? thanks again!

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