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E85 tune 1/8th mile passes

Well I finally got a chance to test my E85 tune for my new motor yesterday. Here are the times.

60 FT 1.74
1/8th ET 8.06
1/8th MPH 84.9x

I was hoping for 7.99 at least but it was extremely hot and the density altitude was above 3400 all night. Plus my alternator is bad and the battery died after the first pass. I had to put it on my buddy's charger in between rounds. I have never ran better than 8.3x at this track before with my old combo at 1000 DA so I am really excited to see what it will do once ironed out a little and some good air comes along.

I need to mess with the shift points to see the affect it has. The 1-2 shift was at 6100 and the 2-3 was at 6000.

I also really need more gear and more stall. I think I should be cutting 1.65 to 1.69 60 foots. I don't think the 3.73's are going to allow it though.

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That is still pretty good IMHO

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I never thought that when I put your motor in Years ago that itd run that fast N/A. Wow. Thats what I was running last year and im supercharged

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I never thought that when I put your motor in Years ago that itd run that fast N/A. Wow. Thats what I was running last year and im supercharged
You need a better tune.

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agreed that n/a setup would need to be alot more aggressive to out run and svo car, not saying it cant happen but i believe trunk monkey ran in the 7.4x range 1/8 mile, and hans svo setup was in the 7.2x range, like monkey said its in the tune and tires lol

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I never thought that when I put your motor in Years ago that itd run that fast N/A. Wow. Thats what I was running last year and im supercharged
Trust me, I never intended on going this fast when I started out. It sort of became an addiction.

The car runs really good but Trunk Monkey is right. My car was never designed to keep up with an SVO car. I imagine that with some work, your car will be quite a bit faster.

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I have the tires. I agree on the tune. The rebuild is moving slowly. Ive been working on my house alot. I think I have the right combination of parts to run times like Ron.

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the weight removal helps a bunch, don't forget that.

95xbird, what is your race weight?

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I do not understand how a MN12 with just a PI motor that has no power adder can run 12's?????

I am sure I would be lucky to run high 13's!!!

How is this possible??

Have never heard of this before!!
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I do not understand how a MN12 with just a PI motor that has no power adder can run 12's?????

I am sure I would be lucky to run high 13's!!!

How is this possible??

Have never heard of this before!!
take into consideration of his vehicle being lighter than most.....he has taken at least over 500 lbs off the car. That there is about good for 1/2 a second in the 1/4....at least with my experiance, its easier and quicker to move less weight than more.

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Just really really hard to believe.

How in the world do you remove #500 from a car?

I have a daily driver not a sled.
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take into consideration of his vehicle being lighter than most.....he has taken at least over 500 lbs off the car. That there is about good for 1/2 a second in the 1/4....at least with my experiance, its easier and quicker to move less weight than more.

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I really need to get a set of slicks and go to the track now!!

I do not think my car is slow at all!
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Just really really hard to believe.

How in the world do you remove #500 from a car?

I have a daily driver not a sled.
or how do you go abouts removing 1200 lbs?

and thunderchecken, right!

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I wud love to loose 500lbs from my car.. What's all in the interior in your car paintme205?

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No more than a milk carton a steering wheel and a seatbelt!! LOL
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No more than a milk carton a steering wheel and a seatbelt!! LOL
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I guess to each there own. :-)
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which is why I have 4 other daily drivers.

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The trick to getting a full weight car into the 12's once you have all the bolts on is this:

lightweight wheels and tires with slicks/skinnies (this is worth .2-.3 by itself) and most don't do it.
good tune
and lots of practice.
Bypassing the PS/AC for just the track is worth a little too.

The weight loss helps but I have no doubt my former engine could run a 12.99 at close to full weight. It would just have required a little more effort (namely 4.10-4.30 gears). I ran a 12.78 in bad air (over 1000DA).

As far as my interior, it is pretty sparse.

Drivers seat only and its a lightweight seat
full dash and components underneath including AC/ETC.
no passenger seat or rear seat.
full carpet and sound deadener except for the trunk carpeting.
still have the factory radio but only have two speakers.
Door panels are still complete and intact.

Getting weight off the car isn't that hard, just expensive

Alum block
alum DS
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Racing seats
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x pipe / no cats

That right there is an easy 300-350 pounds pounds.

If your desperate..... Take off the front (didn't do) and rear crash bumpers (did this) and the front swaybar (did this)

I daily drive this car by the way I just have a truck to use as well when I need to carry lots of people.

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You need more stall....

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Johnny Langton has been in the low 12/high 11 range N/A at full weight for quite some time. Weight reduction is nice, but not nearly as nice as the right setup

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Maybe I will run a little better than I think? I have a pretty good setup I think now.

Thanks for the low down on your setup paintme205.
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Johnny Langton has been in the low 12/high 11 range N/A at full weight for quite some time. Weight reduction is nice, but not nearly as nice as the right setup
thats all opinion.

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Even at 500lbs reduction you're knocking a few tenths off your time at best, the difference in full seconds comes from traction, stall, gearing and power in almost every situation, and that's really not opinion. Road racing and autox on the other hand, minute weight reduction in the right places can make make significant impact on lap times.

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I ran a 13.4 at full weight including interior, spare, 17 inch front rims and every normal car part from the factory.

I dropped around 500-600 pounds, added an EWP, bypassed the AC/PS and changed the tune along with installing a new traction lock and 26x9 slicks instead of 28x9.5 slicks. So I figure every 140-150 pounds was worth a .10th when you look at my 12.78 time.

The slicks were worth a tenth,
the ac/ps bypass was worth a little over a tenth
new traction loc was worth a little under a tenth

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Even at 500lbs reduction you're knocking a few tenths off your time at best, the difference in full seconds comes from traction, stall, gearing and power in almost every situation, and that's really not opinion. Road racing and autox on the other hand, minute weight reduction in the right places can make make significant impact on lap times.
thats great, but in my experiance it works.......sorry that you haven't had a lot of experiance?

Yes, I know how combos work together. the right parts in a combo make everything. I never once said weight reduction will get you full seconds off your time. I think you are reading into it way to much.

look what paintme posted.....seems weight reduction is working for him too.....yes, it will only get you so far as getting quicker down the track....the rest is in the combo.

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thats great, but in my experiance it works.......sorry that you haven't had a lot of experiance?

Yes, I know how combos work together. the right parts in a combo make everything. I never once said weight reduction will get you full seconds off your time. I think you are reading into it way to much.

look what paintme posted.....seems weight reduction is working for him too.....yes, it will only get you so far as getting quicker down the track....the rest is in the combo.


Guess not, too busy observing your lightweight project that hasn't moved in 3 years... So now we've that got that out of our systems can we get back to tech discussion? K thanks

You said it was "opinion" that a well setup driveline will net more than weight reduction from a stock car, as you said weight alone won't take full seconds off an ET, however when you look at some of the most inexplicably fast for their output near full weight cars, the stall, gears,tires ect. are almost always the reason this seemingly low 14/high 13 second car is running low 12s. Just a simple this vs. that comparison, that's as far as I read into it and that's all I referred to with my post, maybe you're taking it too personal.

I agree Paintme proves a good example of weight reduction you can do to a daily/seasonal driver to make it fast at the track and not give up much if anything on the street in the name of it.

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Guess not, too busy observing your lightweight project that hasn't moved in 3 years... So now we've that got that out of our systems can we get back to tech discussion? K thanks

You said it was "opinion" that a well setup driveline will net more than weight reduction from a stock car, as you said weight alone won't take full seconds off an ET, however when you look at some of the most inexplicably fast for their output near full weight cars, the stall, gears,tires ect. are almost always the reason this seemingly low 14/high 13 second car is running low 12s. Just a simple this vs. that comparison, that's as far as I read into it and that's all I referred to with my post, maybe you're taking it too personal.

I agree Paintme proves a good example of weight reduction you can do to a daily/seasonal driver to make it fast at the track and not give up much if anything on the street in the name of it.
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Even at 500lbs reduction you're knocking a few tenths off your time at best, the difference in full seconds comes from traction, stall, gearing and power in almost every situation, and that's really not opinion. Road racing and autox on the other hand, minute weight reduction in the right places can make make significant impact on lap times.
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God that was a boring drive, I'd have fallen asleep if it weren't for me having to keep slowing down so captain 5 under the speed limit could catch up

I was a full tenth quicker than my last fastest time, must've done something lol

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