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New best ET 10.04 @ 138.9 with video

Ran a new personal best at the SC/XR7 Shootout this past weekend with my 93 SC (347 Turbo). With a little more traction, I'm confident I can get it into the 9s. Race weight is right around 4200#, and it pulled 726 rwhp on the dyno one day earlier.

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Dang! I bet that last 20th of a second is driving you crazy...
Yeah it is driving me crazy. Rather than wait until next year, I'm trailering it down to Kentucky in a few weeks to race it again. Power is not the problem, I just need to get it off the line cleaner. On the pass in the video I think my 60ft was 1.63, and it needs to be in the 1.55s or better. Not spinning the tires and skating all over the track in 1st and 2nd would also be nice.

After reviewing some datalogs from the last time I raced it, I think I figured out what the problem is, and will be trying a few new things to improve the launch. Wish me luck, because I need all I can get. Oh yeah...here are a couple pictures I thought you guys might like.






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Those front wheels are sooooooo close to comin off the tarmac.

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Have you thought about any changes to the suspension? The first bird in the 9s for real, thats a real feat with this much weight. I'm thinking doing less than 12.00 is my goal and its already too much money LOL. But if you want to play you have to pay.

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The first bird in the 9s for real,
Not to take anything away from David...Especially with a full interior..But..there are a couple Thunderbird's in the 9's already..


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Have you thought about any changes to the suspension? The first bird in the 9s for real, thats a real feat with this much weight. I'm thinking doing less than 12.00 is my goal and its already too much money LOL. But if you want to play you have to pay.
I won't be the first, Chris Lazzo went 9.9 @ 141 at the 2010 Shootout and I wouldn't be suprised if Bruce has already been there.

I've thought about doing a bunch of stuff, but at this point I'm more interested in making the car be a better daily driver without giving up any power or ET on the track. Biggest challenge has been getting it to run cooler in the summer, and even though it's not overheating when temps get up into the mid 80s or higher it gradually climbs up to around 210 degrees. It doesn't seem to have a negative impact on power or anything, I just don't like it running that hot. If I could get it to stay below 195 degrees I'd feel more comfortable driving extended distances in the summer.

I've already got the biggest radiator and cooling fans possible, but the 4" thick intercooler core blocks a lot of air, and the oversized transmission cooler is also dumping a lot of heat into the radiator. I'm planning to do some mods to the front bumper cover to increase the opening size and add a chin spoiler to get more air into the radiator. Might also switch to a Cobra R hood and add some heat extraxtor vents.

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On that note, how does the car behave on the street?

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Wow, I recognize a lot of names on that list. Congrats, everyone!

But how did Miki only manage a 16.1572 @ 85.37? Is that not the orangest orange car around?

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Wow, I recognize a lot of names on that list. Congrats, everyone!

But how did Miki only manage a 16.1572 @ 85.37? Is that not the orangest orange car around?
He did better this year but he is running on wheels that do not cooperate with actually driving.
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Did you win the race vs. Siska in the video on youtube? That was a great run for both of you guys.

Oh nevermind I watched a little closer for the win light. Way to come around him on the big end!

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It drives great on the street, and feels pretty much like stock if you stay off the go fast pedal. For street use I use 93 octane pump gas and methanol injection and can run as much as 17 pounds safely, but I keep it set at around 15 psi, because that's plenty to spin the street tires at highway speeds.

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Did you win the race vs. Siska in the video on youtube? That was a great run for both of you guys.

Oh nevermind I watched a little closer for the win light. Way to come around him on the big end!
Yeah, but just barely...Mike got a big jump on me because I was sitting on the trans brake a little longer for more boost coming off the line. We had also removed the passenger seat and spare after running the 10.04 and with the weight reduction of nearly 100 pounds, I expected this pass to be my last of the day. I was told if I ran anything in the 9s, I was getting the boot from track officials, so I wanted to make it a good one. Ended up spinning the tires worse and going a tenth sec slower

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Wow, I recognize a lot of names on that list. Congrats, everyone!

But how did Miki only manage a 16.1572 @ 85.37? Is that not the orangest orange car around?
It's a running list going back to 2003 that gets updated every year if you improve on your best time. When I last checked it was not updated to show 2011 numbers.

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Congrats!!

That is a lot of shock extension in the front, and it is unloading right after the launch. Can you go any stiffer in the back?

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Ran a new personal best at the SC/XR7 Shootout this past weekend with my 93 SC (347 Turbo). With a little more traction, I'm confident I can get it into the 9s. Race weight is right around 4200#, and it pulled 726 rwhp on the dyno one day earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfB2q...ature=youtu.be

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Wow, dangerously close to high 9's, I'd try for ideal conditions, give it your absolute all and after accomplishing 9's tune it down to run more reliable on the street.

I also wanted to personally say congrats! 10.04 is epic on these chassis, I'd love to see it break into the 9's, but please don't break it doing so. I know I'll probably never be there, but it's quite the inspiration to see a real mn12 get there regardless of it's engine.

Also as far as cooling I'd shoot for 200 degrees, 210 isn't bad though either. Obviously with that power adder the cooler the better.

Once again... bottom line... CONGRATS! and best of luck hitting 9's before seasons end.

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Thanks...not really worried about breaking the motor, and it's probably got another 50-75 rwhp in reserve before maxing the turbo out. Problem is getting it to the ground, and not destroying the stock IRS launching it too agressively. In the video I was launching off the trans brake at 3400 rpms with about 5 or 6 pounds of boost. I'd like to launch at 3800 rpms and around 10 or 11 psi, just not sure the stock halfshafts could handle it.

If launched from 3800 I believe it will go straight to 7000 without hesitation and should keep the rear planted for a much harder launch and smoother transition into max boost and high rpms. Where as coming off the brake at 3400 results in a jump, slight pause which drops the nose and unloads the rear tires, and then rpms and boost quickly climb and tires start spinning.

Unlike a supercharged motor, a turbocharged motor needs a certian balance/amount of load on the motor and rpms to reach the point where the turbo is self feeding. When that point is reached it begins accelerating very quickly.... even if your only giving it a 1/4 of the gas pedal. Unfortunately this isn't something I can test on the street because even at 3200 rpms and 4 psi it instantly blows the tires off and hits the rev limiter. Need the slicks and a sticky track, to test on.

Guess I'll find out next time I go to the track. Only racing the car only one or two days a year makes sorting stuff out very difficult, but it's still a lot of fun.

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I would look at the shock settings, that is a lot of extension in the front right out of the hole, and the back looks a little too soft. I think it would have better traction with a gradual small rise in the front with the car more level overall, IMO.

Have you tried a footbrake launch? If the brakes hold, should be a smoother launch, and keep the axles happy. 3800 and 10 psi might blow the tires away from the way you describe the onset of boost. Maybe a larger exhaust A/R would soften the transition into boost.

Why only twice a year at the track, long distance?

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I would look at the shock settings, that is a lot of extension in the front right out of the hole, and the back looks a little too soft. I think it would have better traction with a gradual small rise in the front with the car more level overall, IMO.

Have you tried a footbrake launch? If the brakes hold, should be a smoother launch, and keep the axles happy. 3800 and 10 psi might blow the tires away from the way you describe the onset of boost. Maybe a larger exhaust A/R would soften the transition into boost.

Why only twice a year at the track, long distance?

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Shocks are stock, with firm setting on.

Can't hold it with foot brake past 2700 rpms without the tires spinning...even on the two step rev limiter. The .96 AR that is on the turbo now is the largest they offer for a Precision T76-GTS. I don't really need to soften the boost, just need converter about 800rpms looser...but that would suck on the street and cause transmission cooling issues.

Only once or twice a year, because it doesn't have a cage or several other things required for cars running quicker than 135 mph. Usually I just go to out of town private track rentals, but even doing that is getting difficult. Last time out, I was told I'm getting the boot if I go any quicker than 10.00. Turned up the boost and sat on the trans brake a little longer trying to get a 9.xx and ended up spinning the tires halfway down the track instead.

It feels like it's biting the pavement real good coming off the brake, so long as the weight stays shifted to the rear tires.

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