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Weight loss for better times, need input

First off I'll be putting my light weight rotors back on there 5 pounds lighter per side, so 10 pounds total, next will be skinnys, this is new on me but we will try it, the rims are 16 pounds and tires are 11 my current setup is 46 each, so I'll be taking 25 pounds off each front wheel for a total of 50lbs, how does skinnys and the less rotating mass effect times?

My second weight loss will be mark 8 control arms they cost me 22 bucks, and I'm using dlf bushing were the toe compensator is not used! At this time I don't plan on buying light weight back rims, just to much money

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Rear seat delete? Only supposed to be 25 lbs but every little bit counts right?

I was thinking about doing this for a little extra performance but I've heard some say it doesn't do anything noticable... so I guess I will still do it just because I hate it when I have more than 2 people ride with me.

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The skinnies are typically worth two tenths.

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Passenger airbag. 15 lbs.
Oh, now it's 15 lbs? You told me 20 lbs.

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Oh, now it's 15 lbs? You told me 20 lbs.
I estimated the weight with dumbbells 5 minutes after I had it out. I didn't have a scale handy to get it exact when I told you

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I estimated the weight with dumbbells 5 minutes after I had it out. I didn't have a scale handy to get it exact when I told you
I'd expect better from you.

You need to get a scale that measures down to grams like GM has.

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Lose some weight yourself? I dont remember if youre 150 or 250 sorry.

Light batt is worth it. Maybe run a motorcycle batt.

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The lightweight wheels and tires will help along with the other things. The hood you replaced is likely around 10-15+ lbs lighter, the wheels and tires 50 going to the skinnies. The air bag in my car was 16lbs. The Mark Aluminum rear is negligible at best by the time you change it out and add the puck for the springs. Mine was like 2 lbs lighter after that. A lighter battery or relocated one works well and reduces some weight too. I've never run without the full interior so can't comment on that.

Most of that as you'll notice is coming off the nose which should help weight transfer to the rear.

Total I'd say maybe 3 tenths with your updated tune/power levels and less than 100 lbs off the car. But it depends on the car and conditions once again.

Power along with weight, etc make the difference.

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Well I'm not taking the seats out, I'm lazy, and I doubt I'll remove the airbag, I'll think on that. Well with the updated air intake that we did earlier this year really helped on air flow. I'm doing the big Kooks 1-3/4 headers, and the car is done.

The goal is in the 10.4x range.

The hood is exactly 20 lbs lighter from my hood that had bracing removed.

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Well I'm not taking the seats out, I'm lazy, and I doubt I'll remove the airbag, I'll think On that, well with the updated air intake that we did early this year really help on air flow I'm doing the big kooks 1 3/4 headers, and the car is done, the goal is in the 10.4x range

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I wouldn't worry about the seats or putting the Mark VIII lowers in it. Go with what you're planning and the lighter battery. Hope you have it tuned for the newer set up or it could go lean. If it were me I'd be more interested in getting the car to leave harder, ie more stall, etc and then getting it to hook. You need to get down in the 1.4 to mid 1.5 60's. Watching it run it seems really soft on the launch to me. Just my opinion. What you pick up in the first 60' nearly triples itself down track all things considered.

The car should be a low 10 high- 9 second ride.

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Yeap 1.68 60 ft is about average

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Why not
guess you missed the down below.

But in all seriousness, how much weight you want to lose, is up to you.
There is at minimum, a 1,000 lbs you can take off these cars.....I have done it, and when time and money allow, I will drop another 200-300 lbs.

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Why not
Well .... if I had to guess I'd say it's because of his epic weight loss thread Rob.

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Well .... if I had to guess I'd say it's because of his epic weight loss thread Rob.

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forget weight loss, crank up the boost....40psi or bust...you scared of boost??!?!
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forget weight loss, crank up the boost....40psi or bust...you scared of boost??!?!
Pfft. I took this screen shot from the GoPro video that I shot of his car last December.

Does it look like he's scared of boost or even a few RPM's for that matter ... ? LOL


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I dunno but he definitely needs a real SC gauge bezel

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With a pair of my UHMW spring perches @ 14 ozs. each, you get a total weight reduction of 12 lbs., 2.8 ozs.

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Dlf I will be weighing mind as soon as there off but I'll wait till the bushings arrive lol

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Pfft. I took this screen shot from the GoPro video that I shot of his car last December.

Does it look like he's scared of boost or even a few RPM's for that matter ... ? LOL

If you stare at the picture long enough, you can see the fuel gauge dropping!
Seriously though that is some serious power.

I love my V8, but I'd love it more if all 8 cylinders worked. (they do now)

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I bought my Mark VIII lower arms with perches not for the weight savings, but because the iron lower arms rust so badly. Sure it's lighter, but aluminum takes longer to break down and looks better too.

I was going to say lighter seats, but I see you want to keep yours.

Do you have your battery in the trunk? Less weight off the front.

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Well I thought about seats but I'll be maxed out with wheels and tires

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Weight reduction all depends how far you want to go with it, and also does this car still see the street, or is it a track only car now? Where I would start would be
-Remove sound deadening under rear seat and carpet
-Remove sound deadening on backs of door panels
-Remove HVAC vents going under front seats to rear floor
-Remove bags of foam down in quarter panels (can be reached through the rear speaker holes)
-Remove trunk carpet
-Aluminum spare, or no spare
-Remove plastic inner fender liners
-Drop headliner and remove roof bracing
-Cut down front bumper reinforcement where it extends on either side of the frame rails
-Remove power lock actuators from inside doors
-Remove cruise control module and cable
-If you have a power antenna, convert to a fixed one
-Manual seat tracks will save some weight, if you can find them
-I would delete the whole A/C system, but that may not be worth it to you
-If the car is a track-only car, removing the intrusion beams from the doors will save a lot of weight, but if you drive the car on the street at all, then leave them alone.

There's plenty more that can be removed, but doing all of those things, the car will still look completely stock from both the outside and the interior.

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Weight reduction all depends how far you want to go with it, and also does this car still see the street, or is it a track only car now? Where I would start would be
-Remove sound deadening under rear seat and carpet
-Remove sound deadening on backs of door panels
-Remove HVAC vents going under front seats to rear floor
-Remove bags of foam down in quarter panels (can be reached through the rear speaker holes)
-Remove trunk carpet
-Aluminum spare, or no spare
-Remove plastic inner fender liners
-Drop headliner and remove roof bracing
-Cut down front bumper reinforcement where it extends on either side of the frame rails
-Remove power lock actuators from inside doors
-Remove cruise control module and cable
-If you have a power antenna, convert to a fixed one
-Manual seat tracks will save some weight, if you can find them
-I would delete the whole A/C system, but that may not be worth it to you
-If the car is a track-only car, removing the intrusion beams from the doors will save a lot of weight, but if you drive the car on the street at all, then leave them alone.

There's plenty more that can be removed, but doing all of those things, the car will still look completely stock from both the outside and the interior.
and thats just barley scratching the surface. (I know you know, as you have more than likely pulled more out of yalls lemon racer, than i have my bird.)

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There are HVAC vents under the front seats?

And I think for a street car Robert will want to keep his sound deadening material.



Also I found over at SCCOA that the rear seat delete was good for about 53 lbs of weight. (I think he said 38 for the back and 15 for the bottom) That might be worth the extra hassle. I'll see if I can find the link for it again..

And then I also found here on TCCOA removing the rear spoiler (creating less drag on the car) was showing small results on the 1/4mi track. I know someone tried this out and it worked for them, I can't remember who.. Was it JL?

Maybe someone has more insight on that last one.

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