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98+ 5.4L 4R70W Install Article

After many hours work going over torque specs, bolt sizes, referencing part #s and info from the OD 101 article, I think this one is about ready. I'd like to thank dvlbrd66 and mager for helping me do a quick check on it. Mager told us to step up to the plate, so here's my contribution



www.personal.psu.edu/tfg112/tbird/article/swap1.pdf

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updated tonight. Added TCC info.

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How do you open a .pdf file? My computer automatically opened it in Word and it's just a bunch of characters all over the place.
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How do you open a .pdf file? My computer automatically opened it in Word and it's just a bunch of characters all over the place.
go to http://www.adobe.com
and get the free adobe reader, it opens PDF files for free.
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I'm using the PDF format temporarily because the word document I based the article on would be nearly 4 times the size... which is both too much to upload and too much for others to download to see. 1.5mb for the pdf file isnt too bad. Maybe when the finished product is ready it will get a different format... that isnt decided.

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I've been told about the TCC solenoid change, but I have neither encountered a problem or been told of a problem that requires the solenoids to be changed. When my 93 CV needed new solenoids, the new ones had an F7 number... so the newer ones retrofit that far at least. 98+ I'm not sure of, biggest problem is the connector difference...

I've got over 15k on a 99GT VB in the other car and never had a problem. Anyone with more info please post.

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No, i doubt it caused your problem.

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You are supposed to use certain solenoid types that came with your car's ECC.
The later models have a different resistance than the older types (pre-96).
Their hydraulic functionally is identical - only the electrical drive signals changed.

For a quick rundown...

The EPC solenoid is interchangable between years - however, the bracket must match the solenoid and VB you use.

The 1992-1995 TCC solenoid is different from 1996 up. This must match your ECC.
These were changed in the Crown Vic/LTC/GM before the MN12s - I believe in 1995.

The shift solenoids are interchangable.

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The EPC solenoid is interchangable between years - however, the bracket must match the solenoid and VB you use.

The 1992-1995 TCC solenoid is different from 1996 up. This must match your ECC.
These were changed in the Crown Vic/LTC/GM before the MN12s - I believe in 1995.

The shift solenoids are interchangable.
Good to have some backup on the shift solenoids. I just put to use the TCC for your particluar car, that way I could avoid getting into what years had what solenoids. As far as the EPC goes, I'd just use whatever came with the wiring that I was going to use, be it the newer style stuff, or just reusing all of the old wiring and solenoids.

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The shift solenoids are interchangable.
Thank you sir! Just needed some reinforcement!

BTW Silver95Bird, great article, awesome details, looks like it's ready to become a Tech Article. Nice job!

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Thank you sir! Just needed some reinforcement!

BTW Silver95Bird, great article, awesome details, looks like it's ready to become a Tech Article. Nice job!
Cool! always helps to have more feedback. So far everyone who sees it seems to like it... maybe I got it right. lol.

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Nice work Tom. When ya gonna put that trans in the Bird? Come on, ya know ya want to. Catchin a little second gear rubber is what you want, isn't it? Heck, even my Caddy will turn the tires over hitting second! LOL. Seriously though, very nice article. Tell your dad to smile for the camera. BTW, already tired of this FWD torque steerin' , what's gonna break next car. I've been under the hood of this Eldo more in 2 months than I was all the time I owned your Bird. As soon as the title arrives from the state (NY sucks) the Caddy is up for sale and the search begins for a RWD V8 Ford !!!!!!
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Hmm Mr. SOHCammer (or should I say DOHCammer?) I won't say I told ya so
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This is one excellent right up! I'm going to bump it to the top.
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I just did a 98 mark8 swap and okcbird directed me to this article. I couldn't have done it without the article. Thanks a ton!
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One question though. I've got the whole wiring harness from the 98 mark8. Can I just reuse it? Or do I have to swap the 95 wiring onto it and repin the connector? Advice ASAP would be great.
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it's an either/or. Either you repin the connector, or you swap all the old stuff over. Use your TCC solenoid no matter what.

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So if I use the 98 wiring harness it just plugs right into everything on the car and it'll all work fine? I already trimmed the TCC solenoid to fit and it's bolted in.
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So either I repin the 98 harness, or I swap over the 95 wiring? I'm a bit confused.

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You've already trimmed the TCC solenoid and installed it with the 98 wiring. Perfect. All you need to do is repin the connector that plugs onto the tranny - the car side. This is easier done before the tranny is put in, but im sure you can do it in the car as well.

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so repin the 98 harness then? You didn't clarify.
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The part that's in the transmission can't be repinned. You repin the connector on the oustide that plugs onto the back of the transmission on the passenger side. it's part of the whole tranny harness that contains all of the plugs for the trans (including VSS, OSS, etc) .

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yes I know. But I have a 95 wiring harness and a 98 wiring harness. do I repin the 95 or the 98?

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Well seeing as how you don't even have a '98 harness you'll have to repin the '95 harness. You just swap a few wires until it looks like the '98+ harness.

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Since you said you trimmed the TCC solenoid, that would mean you're using the 98 wiring that goes inside the tranny pan. Then you rewire the outer connector. If you were using all your 95 wiring, you wouldnt have to repin. However if you've trimmed the TCC, the connector from the 95 wires wont stay on it. I don't understand the confusion.

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Well seeing as how you don't even have a '98 harness you'll have to repin the '95 harness. You just swap a few wires until it looks like the '98+ harness.
I have both!

Okay. I know I'm using the 98+ stuff on the inside of the transmission. But which wiring harness do I use on the outside of the transmission. That whole big black piece of dangly wiring harnesses. I have one from my 95 and one from my 98. I repin the 95 wiring correct? and use that on the 98 transmission?
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Well Thomas unless you have the '98 Mark VIII sitting there (you don't) I don't see how you can have the harness. We are talking about the harness that goes to the EEC from the passenger side (?) of the trans., this is mounted on the OUTSIDE of the case, on the side.

You repin the '95 harness to make it look like a '98 harness would, so then the tranny thinks it's in a '98 car.
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See that black wire looming that wraps around the tranny? Tha's my 98 transmission.



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I thought you were asking about the inner harness... 99 out of 100 trannies I've seen never came with the outer harness. I'm not sure if the pinouts are the same on the other end of that 98 harness. I would use the 95 and repin the connector just to be safe.

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