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Muffler delete

I'm working on a article for hacking off the mufflers. Currently I have pics of all the parts required (pipes, clamps, tips, hangers, etc). Then I took pics of where to cut the mufflers at. I also went ahead and took video of the startup, short revving, and revving/holding at 3000 rpm of the bird with mufflers, and without. Now I just have to piece together some html. Anything I missed?
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why not just throw the images and the writeup in here?

i know I'm very interested, I'm sure others are

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wow!! can you make an article teaching me how to recline my seat?


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dont forget to mention the part that says "just cutting off the mufflers is going to sound like poo" cause it does.
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no, i cut mine on my SC and it actually sounds like a cobra.!!! seriously

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wow!! can you make an article teaching me how to recline me seat?

That's my next one.

In all seriousness, I've seen a few guys asking how to do this lately, so I figured I'd do a write up on it.
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...i always have needed a tutorial on changing the oil filter too............. *cough* porky *cough*
how many threads are there asking how/b!tching about the oil filter compared to asking how to hack off mufflers?
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here's a write-up:

1 - hack off mufflers
2 - drive to exhaust shop
3 - have exhaust guy weld on piping that extends to the rear bumper
4 - " " " " fab up some quick hangers
5 - throw him $20

how about a tech article on how to pump gas, too?

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here's a write-up:

1 - hack off mufflers
2 - drive to exhaust shop
3 - have exhaust guy weld on piping that extends to the rear bumper
4 - " " " " fab up some quick hangers
5 - throw him $20

how about a tech article on how to pump gas, too?
LOL

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wow!! can you make an article teaching me how to recline my seat?

Somebody should write an article on how Porky eats a reeses .. oh wait, theres already an instructional video.

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Don't forget checking the muffler bearings & brakelight fluid.......

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dont forget to mention the part that says "just cutting off the mufflers is going to sound like poo" cause it does.
It does sound weird ill admit. It sounds better than stock yes. Its all opinion so dont argue that guys. It sounds alittle weird if your like 50% throttle it will drone some. I had true 2.25 inch duals on my last 4.6 bird and no cats or mufflers, that sounded real nice, but alittle too loud.

Cutting off the mufflers is a fine mod. I actually got some top end HP from it im sure (only on V8 or SC will you likely see gain). Dont tell me that is BS either, show me a real race car with a muffler, you're not gonna find one. Before doing this my 95LX would loose to my 94LX to 60mph. Now the 95LX gets almost a fender on the 94LX by 60mph.

a stock V8 tbird sounds like an anorexic vaccum cleaner going down the road!
Thankfully now i do not need new muffler bearings b/c i dont have mufflers.
I got new synthetic brake light fluid and my brakelights look like red hids now! I would suggest Motorcraft 4W-20 for all tbirds brake light fluid

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Dont tell me that is BS either, show me a real race car with a muffler, you're not gonna find one.


guess that isn't a real race car, huh?

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my point was that you can midmount something (magnaflow, dynomax bullet, ets) that will sound good instead of just cutting off the mufflers which sounds like azz.
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I guess he forgot to add the wheelie bar.

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I think we all know that hacking off the mufflers isn't the greatest exhaust mod, but it is the cheapest. If you're going to be a cheap-ass and hack off your mufflers, why go to an exhaust shop and pay for welds and then throw the guy $20? You can do the whole job yourself with clamps for $20. I did it to mine to hold me over till I get my exhaust done the right way.


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i'd rather pay him to do it right. keep in mind you need to find some tips or scrap piping, then measure and cut if needed. welds are permanent, too.

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I made the following post in this thread:

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Just go to your local auto parts store and get the following (got mine from Advance):

18-inch long, 2-inch pipe (x2)
Clamps to attach new pipe to existing pipe (x2)
Hangers to hold new pipe in place (x2) (use in place of stock muffler hangers)
Cheap tips (x2)

When you saw off your mufflers, be sure to saw as close to the muffler as possible or else the angle for your straight pipes will be all wrong.

Here's a video of my car with this done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7igooaWLvg

XR7-4.6 has done the same thing, here's some pics of his:
http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=25
I would only recommend a muffler delete if you don't have the cash to get a proper setup. If you spend any more than $15-$25 doing a muffler delete, you're spending too much and might as well get a "real" setup. Perhaps some people don't know that it could be done so cheaply, therefore a guide may be a good idea. Just my 2 cents.


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. Dont tell me that is BS either, show me a real race car with a muffler, you're not gonna find one. \
Read almost any rule book for many types of racing, most racing requires mufflers.


Hacking off the mufflers sounds like ****.

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guess that isn't a real race car, huh?
yeah i was thinking about nascars and topfuel
drag, racing groups require muffs sometimes my bad.
bet those muffs arent doin much either.

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When I hacked my mufflers off, I drove around with it terminatiing under the car for about a week. The first 2 days were cool, but the drone started giving me a headache after that. I wont even go into the possibility of exhaust gas finding its way into the interior. So, my suggestion, get extensions.


As far as how to do it (shop or clamps), if I'm going to go through the time and expense of taking my car to a shop to have exhaust work done, you can bet they'll be doing more than welding on some extensions.

So I'll go ahead and disagree with Big Mike on this one, and say that (IMO) if you're going to do the muffler delete, just make up some extensions, it's not rocket science.

Having said that, you might as well hack the center muffler and cat out and replace it with something else at the same time.

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So I'll go ahead and disagree with Big Mike on this one, and say that (IMO) if you're going to do the muffler delete, just make up some extensions, it's not rocket science.
disagree? that's what i was talking about. it's a good idea to have the exhaust exit near the bumper so you dont have fumes coming up into the trunk and into the cabin. i only suggested having a shop do it since they would do it professionally. duh, nigel

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In case you haven't seen this picture. Here's what you're getting rid of. I found this picture some time ago while surfing the Internet. Someone did us the favor of actually cutting the stock muffler open to see what's inside. I think it's an old picture from SCP or MN12Performance.

Edit: Cut it off and run pipes from where you cut it back to the bumper or replace it with a completely new - Sky's the limit $$ - exhaust system; either way you're ahead of the game. Yea, it's stupid to debate the cheapo out (cutting the muffler off) vs. the high dollar alternative (replacing the entire exhaust system). IMO save your money up and do it right.

BTW, for those of you new to the site, there's an article in the Technical Articles section under Exhaust entitled Exhaust Modification that covers the exhaust quite well.

So, here's what you're getting rid of by cutting that sucker off.


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why are you guys having or attempting to have an indepth discussion about removing mufflers or running high flow mufflers? You really did nothing more than waste bandwidth and look like fools. Actually thinking that making a writeup on how to do a "muffler delete" is foolish. It makes you look like an idiot to the older members who do it the right way. If you want a louder car, dont hack off the mufflers, put on a real high flow muffler. I dont care if you dont have the money, then save the money and do it.




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Some people just want simple advice on replacing mufflers with straight pipes. It's not complicated. Somebody asks how to do it, I'll tell them how to do it and not try to give them financial advice and call them names. I'm not sure that I would have posted here in the work in progress forum but at least he's trying to contribute something here, even if it is trivial.


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Well, when I was planning on writing this, I wasn't trying to convince you guys with thousand dollar exhaust systems that it's pointless, or you get a better tone from chopping off the mufflers. I just noticed that a lot of guys come here asking how to cut off the mufflers. I didn't think that you all would get all big headed about it "Get a real exhaust, mine has flow masters blah blah this is what I have, I'm better than you." It's just a simple explanation on how-to chop off the mufflers and place strait pipes in their place. Nothing more than that. It doesn't need a space in the technical articles, because it doesn't fit in the technical articles. Maybe a sticky in the exhaust section that says this is what to do, here's why you should or should not try this.

Hey, what can I say though? All I wanted was to get it posted so there isn't ten posts a week asking about hacking off the mufflers.

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It does sound weird ill admit. It sounds better than stock yes. Its all opinion so dont argue that guys. It sounds alittle weird if your like 50% throttle it will drone some.
Just my opinion, if it drones it sounds like poo! Your right there's no point in arguing about it. I think country music sounds like poo too, it's subjective.

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I actually got some top end HP from it im sure (only on V8 or SC will you likely see gain). Dont tell me that is BS either, show me a real race car with a muffler, you're not gonna find one.
you do realize there's a whole world of legitimate racing outside of the redneck NASCAR circuit don't you?

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I think we all know that hacking off the mufflers isn't the greatest exhaust mod, but it is the cheapest. If you're going to be a cheap-ass and hack off your mufflers, why go to an exhaust shop and pay for welds and then throw the guy $20? You can do the whole job yourself with clamps for $20. I did it to mine to hold me over till I get my exhaust done the right way.
A couple of reasons come to mind...

Let's see I have the choice of having a welded exhaust system or a set of clamps showing to everyone behind me. Yea that's going to look real good! Do you realize that alot of the tbird rear bumper boots give you a very clear view of the underside of the car up to the diff and that includes the not so sexy exhaust system.

Besides if I can throw $20 bucks at it and have a Coke while I watch someone else weld it up why would I want to shuffle around on my back clamping stuff together myself instead!?

I'm too old and smart for that sh*t, it's not like it's a fun thing to do. It's just one more chore to be done. Those would be my reasons, yours might differ.

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LMAO. This is so not a big deal. Why this is being discussed at all is beyond me. Either you do it or you don't. Someone please just delete this thread already! The overwhelming majority is against hacking the mufflers and the guide on how to do it. The people have spoken.


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