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I searched but....

I am contemplating a supercharger for my 4.6, I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to engines and compatibility with parts so.....

I have some NPI heads I will send out to Steen Racing for a PnP and a Valve Job with that being said, What would be the best application for my 95? Safety of bottom end in mind.

Allen, VOrtech, SVO, KB....???

Which model?

Why?

I know these are a lot of questions but I need to learn so someone please help me out, I need a knowledgeable TCCoA guy/girl...

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How deep are your pockets??? KB are expensive but will give you alot of HP. I think there only for 4.6 PI's and cobras, someone correct me on this. Allen is another choice. A few guys have Allen SC but they won't give you that much HP and you cans use your stock engine on that and be safe. Vortech is the most common SC for 4.6, they are reliable and will give you good power with some bolt ons. SVO, don't know much, but I think they are ALLEN, KB type, it's a roots blower. It all depends on how much money you have to burn. You need to upgrade your fuel system, injector, fuel pump, ect etc etc etc.. DO a search again, because I bet you missed some good posts.


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I learned alot about the needs to upgrade to assist the blower but I just couldn't find an overall opinion on which is safest/hp gains......

And I really don't understand the difference in the Vortech S Trim Y trim All that shi*.

Or the differences between roots blowers and centrifugal.

Thanks TX....

My pockets are fat but I tend to spend quite a bit of money on useless stuff besides my car, so If I cut my spending I could afford an SC in about 4 months of saving....

I am just trying to figure out what to look for while browsing these Power Adders For Sale Forums. If I find one I can't pass up I'll buy it

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PM 96 Goldbird and ask him how much he is paying for Scott to build his tbird. you'll piss yourself. But they are doing it right.
Basic rundown:
AED : Usable on stock motor, will see 260-325 at the rear depending on mods.
Vortech : Usable on stock motor, will see 325-380, motor won't last long
SVO : same as AED

KB : Insane gains on forged internals.

AED/SVO are roots blowers. This means low end tq, top end not as good.
Vortech is a centrifugal. This is a blower that sits outside the motor and is belt driven, the different Trims are the different packages like intercoolers etc.
KB is a twin screw blower, it will get you power at all ranges.

Expect to spend $3,000 just for the blower and parts, and if you want the motor to last or take more than 6 psi, add at least another $1500-$3000 for that area.

Then you'll get into the trans, SCT tuning, and it will cost even more
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Ryan, Thanks for your time to spell it out for me, I appreciate it. I think maybe I will just throw a 100 shot of nitrous , and wear my engine down slowly but surely, and start from scratch with the forged internals.....Thanks Alot

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Hey Dave,
Do a search for BullitBird. He is running a KB and has alot of valuable knowledge on the KB.Here is just one thread about his ride, http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.p...threadid=30450

Good luck and I do hope those paockets are deep like everyone stated,lol.
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Just to add onto the above.

Any forced *induction or power adder is a gamble on a stock block. An AED could destroy it as easy as Vortech or KB. If you wont have the money or extra car when the time comes consider staying NA.....

Some supercharged cars blow.......Others just pick up and move.

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Just a note...

AED or Vortech or Paxton or Kenne-Bell...it doesn't matter. Boost is boost and the weak hyperpathetic pistons in the 4.6L will eventually give up.

Also, please note that the fastest T-Bird on this site uses an AED. Mike Siska ran 11.10 @ 123.88 mph with his AED Race Blower (uses a twin screw blower). He ran 11.88 @ 115.7 mph with the standard REV-I AED kit (Eaton M90S).

So don't exclude the AED kit when thinking of running fast times and making decent power.

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Basic rundown:
AED : Usable on stock motor, will see 260-325 at the rear depending on mods.
Vortech : Usable on stock motor, will see 325-380, motor won't last long
SVO : same as AED
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the FRPP (SVO) blowers non-intercooled? That's got to soak up a fair bit of power right there, doesn't it? I'm tossing around the idea of either of these blowers myself, but I was under the assumption that the FFRP blower wasn't intercooled....but if they are, I guess my choice will be easy?Otherwise, who in their right mind would pay another $1000.00 for an AED blower when the FFRP is so much cheaper?

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You are correct the SVO blower is non intercooled and there is no way to add one. The SVO is good for 300 HP but not much beyond that. That said I like mine it uses the Eaton M112 vs the AED M90 but without the intercooler if you put a smaller pulley on it the amount of heat it generates and thus the amount of timing you need to pull starts to cancel any gain out. It is about $1000 cheaper overall bottom line decide what your goal is and then make a plan based on that

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300 hp at the wheels would be nice

SVO may be the way I go or nitrous, I'm stuck in decision mode

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before you do a blower I recomend that you build the motor first to handle the boost first. I would recomend a set of renegade or foxlake cnc finished heads forged slugs and rods. mabey a forged crank but you would need 499 h or more before you need it.
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This would be just until I toast the engine....

I am not going to build this motor, Use and destroy, after I kill it I will build up the next one.

The SVO blower or nitrous would be just for fun.

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Tim,

It's not possible to add an intercooler after the supercharger on the SVO (FRPP) kit, but crafty individuals could use a Vortech Aftercooler before the supercharger to at least drop the incoming aircharge temps. Ever consider such an idea?

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Actually I hadn't but here in Florida that might not be a bad idea. When the temps do drop here you can definitely feel the power increase. I will be helping Cam94 with a motor swap with renegade heads and an SVO with alcohol injection in about a month so it will be interesting to see how that works out. I don't think I want to get into the complexity of injection but your idea might be worth looking into......hmmmm

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While I personally wouldnt recommend anyone sticking my little powerdyne on their bird (I only spent abit over 2 Grand for the kit and wasted a lotta money on Rinefat tuneing it before I saw the light and changed).... the ATI prochargers seen to make some pretty good power, and their air to air intercoolers are pretty darned good, plus, they do not require punching a hole in the oil pan for an oil supply....Also a lotta Stang Bangers swear by them... I think , maybe a centrifical unit would be a bit easier on the drive train and stock engine as it has just a teensy bit of lag as it spools up, and needs more rpm to get to top boost....Unless you really want a purpose built drag car that you just run on the street occasionally. LOL
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