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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-11-2005, 09:20 AM Thread Starter
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Attn: Any blown 4.6ers out there...

More specifically I am hoping the 94-95 guys will chime in here...

I am interested in adding a blower. Now I understand that a stronger bottom end is recommended (forged pistons, rods, etc.), but I am more concerned with what the stock internals will hold up to. SO...

What kind of set ups do you guys have?
How many miles when you added the blower, how many with the blower on?
What psi?
Intercooled?
Are you using the stock NPI heads?
If centrifugal, stock intake plenum?
Stock TB?
MAF calibration?
Fuel injector size?

Hopefully this will get me started. Mostly just curious of how the stock engine can hold up against small psi ratings, you know, below 15 psi.

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well i have one on my 95 lol

it was installed with 105,000 it may have 500 miles on it lol
it is not intercooled
i have the 80mm lmaf with sct program
ive got the stock pully that comes with the svo blower anything bigger is asking for trouble since its not intercooled also the allen kit is intercooled but u should keep the boost down to around 6 from what ive read which is how mine is staying lol i know atrain has the aed with 10 psi but he started with a low mileage motor if mine head is remebering correctly, hopefully some of the big wigs will chime in lol

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I had a vortech on my 95 until recently. There is actually a pic of the setup on in the media section. Stock bottom end lasted along time

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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-13-2005, 08:07 AM
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The only problem with a Vortech on a '95 is that you either have to switch intakes (not a bad idea anyways), or build a custom outlet tube, which wouldn't be hard either.

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post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-13-2005, 10:16 PM
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I disagree, check thisout
My old setup

You can even use the stock intake violin case to do the boost side if you really want to.

With a reclocked blower, a properly tied down flex hose , you almost don't even need to cut the hood.

Safe toon is the key.

30lb/hr injectors and bigger fuel pump, major things.
bigger MAF, helpful.

280 hp on my car , basicaly with a blower and some minor exhaust stuff.\

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BTW, the aftercooler setup, without the little radiator(no not the Air/water part), is all in my garage waiting to be put to use if U are interested.
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at 6 psi you can really beat on a stock 4.6 before killing it. I run a old school 96-98 mustang set up by paxton it really doesnt fit


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I disagree about 6 PSI and really being able to beat on a stock set up...

I had 6 PSI and was warned by A-Train and AEDM8 that with the power I was making, I was on borrowed time for the stock pistons and rods...

3000 miles later, I chipped a piston and now had to re-build the lower end...

I think the specialists, such as A-Train and AEDM8, will attest that it is not a matter of what PSI, but the simple fact of the tune and the power at the rear wheels...The more power you make, the more strain on the weak stock pistons and rods...

Check with A-Train and AEDM8 before going into this blindly...They know what they are talking about and will really help you in terms of saving you money later on...To properly re-build an engine with forged parts is about 4000+, so you may want to think wisely...This is what I am in so far to put in an entirely new forged lower end, so think carefully...

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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 09:03 AM
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Well, it was AED...

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What kind of set ups do you guys have?
I run an AED REV-I kit that was originally set-up for 6-psi. I have since upgraded the kit (on my own) to run 10 psi. Click below for my info...

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How many miles when you added the blower, how many with the blower on?
Originally, the stock '95 ROMEO 4.6L had approx 35k on it when I installed the blower. It didn't last long with 9-psi of boost, something like 30k total. The 2000 4.6L GT engine went in with ZERO miles on it. KNOCK ON WOOD, it's been over 4 years now and it still runs great. The tune is much safer and having it away from the edge does keep it together longer.


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What psi?
Originally 6-psi, then 10-psi. Remember that boost is just a measurement of restriction. The more boost you have, the more airflow is stacking up and not being used.


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Intercooled?
Yes. ALL AED kits were/are intercooled. While AED takes a bad rap for their small intercooler size, it works flawlessly with the 6-psi kit. Dropping discharge air temps by as much as 60 degrees F. on a 90 degree F. day. Running more boost brings more air charge temps and that is when the AED intercooler starts having trouble sustaining the ACT's.

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Are you using the stock NPI heads?
I did. I ran 13.37 @ 103 mph with NPI heads and NPI cams. Mike Siska ran 12.69 @ 107.70 mph with a stock 1995 ROMEO 4.6L engine in his '95 AED T-Bird.

Now, I use the PI heads/PI cams from the '00 GT engine. The C/R is only 9.0:1, but it still managed to make 325 RWHP/380 RWTQ (SAE). Best e.t. was 12.74 and best mph was 109.45.

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If centrifugal, stock intake plenum?
No comment.

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Stock TB?
No. I used the FRPP 70mm unit from day one. I recently switched to the BBK 75mm throttle body, although not worth the work in my opinion.

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MAF calibration?
Originally, a 73mm C&L MAF. When I got wise, I switched to an 80mm L-MAF with a tune from the J-Man at SCT. I still use the 80mm L-MAF today.


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Fuel injector size?
19's originally with the AED REV-I kit, since it had an fmu. Then I switched to 30 lb./hr. FRPP injectors when I upgraded the MAF and tune. Now, I use 36 lb./hr. FRPP injectors.

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Hopefully this will get me started. Mostly just curious of how the stock engine can hold up against small psi ratings, you know, below 15 psi.
1-psi is enough to take out the weak hyperpathetic pistons. Knock without boost and you can crack a ring land. I've seen two N/A 4.6L engines with broken ring lands on the pistons. Anything in the 6-psi range will get you bye for some time on the stock parts, provided the tune is perfect. It won't last forever, it's not "if" but "when" it will go.

15 psi...good luck.

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I knew that A-Train would jump in and explain all...

He knows what he is talking about...He was telling me from day one when I added my 6-Psi kit that I was on borrowed time...Just a rule, not a hunch...In fact, before AED went out of business, Scott, the other owner, showed me a STOCK rod right out of a new cobra that was bent from the power that it supplied...

Thus, it is advisable to anyone consider a supercharger add on to FORGE THE BOTTOM before adding the supercharger, unless you want to spend the extra money, like me, to disassemble the entire engine including the newly added supercharger set-up and correct a problem because you did not listen to the AED EXPERTS like A-Train and AEDM8.

I have learned a lot from listening to the advice of A-Train and AEDM8...They suggested 36 lbs injectors...Did not listen at first, but now that I have to re-build the entire block, I had to find them when they are not as easy to locate....

I have learned to respect what is posted here and trust the experts. You could even call the Ford Racing Tech Line and they will tell you just what you are hearing from A-Train and AEDM8. Just some food for thought...

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