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Hi all, I can't decide what I want to with my motor over the winter. I have considering going with ported heads, aftermarket cams, and a PI intake. I am also considering getting a supercharger. Which supercharger do you reccomend? I know the AED seems to be really popular, but what about the Ford Racing unit, and Vortech? Also, do PI cams make for good blower cams? Thanks.

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What installation/compatability issues would I have using a Vortech Kit for a 96-98 Stang? BTW, I will switch to a PI intake if i go that route.

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The Vortech charge tube is a little tight with the A/C lines...other than it just being a tight fit anyway. You'll also have to cut out some of the hood bracing. Other than that it's a pretty simple install.

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Glad I could give you some advice 281. If you have any questions, you can PM me anytime to avoid repeating posts.

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Thanks man, that is much appreciated.

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The Vortech charge tube is a little tight with the A/C lines...other than it just being a tight fit anyway. You'll also have to cut out some of the hood bracing. Other than that it's a pretty simple install.

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it's a pretty simple install.
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Yea, what he said.
Shouldn't take more than two years....

The only "kit" blower that is an easy install for the T-bird is the SVO. End of story. Once you've upgraded the in-tank fuel pump, the blower installs just like an intake manifold. I help a guy down here put one. He put the fuel pump in and re-installed the tank on Saturday by himself. I met up with him at noon on Sunday and by 6:00 p.m. we were driving around town. He's been running it around the street now for well over a year (is it two??) with no issues.

There is no vortech "kit" that will work on the T-bird.. you gotta fabricate and customize to make it work.

Are the Allen kits still available??

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Ever since I've seen the work on that thing start, I've wondered about the intake. What is it? It looks like a Bullitt....but the elbow looks different than other ones I've seen....?

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Shouldn't take more than two years....

He's been running it around the street now for well over a year (is it two??) with no issues.


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In december it will be 2 years I've got about 50,000 on the blower now and it runs like a top. Allen reopened it's doors for blowers so that is another option but takes longer to install

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Wow, have I been out of the loop.. I'm glad to hear the Allen unit is available again.. the more choices the merrier.. it's makes the boards a lot livlier


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I've wondered about the intake. What is it? It looks like a Bullitt....but the elbow looks different than other ones I've seen....?
It's an SVO intake.. very similar to the Bullitt, but pre-dates it for NPI application.

The Bullitt is port matched to the PI intake, but your NPI heads can be port-matched to the Bullitt intake.. JL runs the Bullitt on his N/A monster. The Bullitt is a bit easier and cheaper to come by on the used market.

Neither of them come ceramic coated.. that was Scott's idea...

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you know the more I think about it the SVO blower sounds like a nice deal, but I heard it only gives you gains of 55HP? is this true, Id like to get my car in the low low thirteens or high 12's, it should be good for a 13.7 the way it sits. Do you guys think thats possible with what I have? One other thing, I have 24lb injectors and a 255LPH walbro fuel pump. I know this would be real easy, b\c I have the fuel pump, but what about the injectors do I need to change them, and obviously I would need a reburned chip?

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New program, 30# injectors.

Mine ran a 13.377 last Friday night (same engine and similar mods to you (no under drive pullies if you SC it) but I still have a semi stock exhaust-flowmaster muffler in place of 3rd resonator).

RobertP's runs high 12's http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=71541 and thats on the stock block and heads.

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awsome, how much do you think you have invested in the whole kit?, also I have the SCT chip, who reflashed yours and whats the deal with the computer that comes in the kit? is that something we are supposed to use? are you using a lightning maf or the 85? I have the 85 MM GT maf

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awsome, how much do you think you have invested in the whole kit?, also I have the SCT chip, who reflashed yours and whats the deal with the computer that comes in the kit? is that something we are supposed to use? are you using a lightning maf or the 85? I have the 85 MM GT maf
The computer in the kit is for a Mustang. You will use your EEC with a chip or re-flash.

Jerry flashed Timb's EEC. It is a good safe tune for street use, even here in hot Florida ... and all SCT dealers have access to that file, and can burn it into your chip. Also there are several SCT dealers that have the expertise to create a file that will work.. Lonnie flashed Cam94's for him, but unfortunately we'll never know how it would have run 'cause the project fizzled... er was re-directed (again). With the number of guys out there with SVO blowers, I'm sure there are plenty of tunes in the SCT files, and the SCTdealers all talk to each other, and to David and Brian at SCT regularly. Getting a tune will not be a problem.

The GT MAF is fine. You will not come anywhere near pegging it.

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awsome, how much do you think you have invested in the whole kit?, also I have the SCT chip, who reflashed yours and whats the deal with the computer that comes in the kit? is that something we are supposed to use? are you using a lightning maf or the 85? I have the 85 MM GT maf
I'm using the GT MAF as well. The computer is only good for selling unfortunately. Like Mike mentioned Jerry did my tune so that file should be a good start....I still have never had it dyno'd. I responded to your PM

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Check with Dan on the current prices for the blower and install kit as that's who I got them
from.

While you're at it I'd toss on a FRPP 70MB TB. 75MM is too large for the stock blower (Cam94's was ported to fit a 75MM TB). I made the mistake of going to modulardepot.com for my Xcal and Accufab TB. Should have stuck with Ford and Lonnie for better customer service.

I also switched from a GT MAF to a LMAF at the reccomendation of a couple people (memory is slipping but I believe it was a couple different tuners).

The install kit I'm still split fence about. It comes with some good things (injectors, vaccum hose, coil bracket (major time consumer to modify stock) and some useless things. We got it for ease of install time as it would take a few hours to grind down the DS coil mount like Rob did on his car.

As far as the whole upgrade cost you don't want to know. Once I started on the new engine I started upgrading other things and for anyone who's seen the car-No I won't get a paint job.

Sometimes I wish I had gone with the PI headswap but my engine was long in the tooth so the new engine was due. I debated following Hans's steps but I decided a supercharger would be fun, different, and keep the car's look/sound at beater.

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no I was mainly curious to the cost of the blower and stuff, timb the only thing is how would I manage to get jerry to tune it?. I do have a local dyno SCT tuner who has worked on my car already, but I dont really like dyno's just make me nervous , Id rather just go with a tune from jerry, I guess we could use the same file since our mods are similar minus the 3600 stall I have. I have a SCT multimode chip. Did J say that you can be safe with the 85 b\c like OxInyourbox said I have heard that a 90 or 80 should be used.

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Tim's had his supercharger on for 2 years/50,000 miles IIRC. I'd say it's working fine.

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On the MAF I don't think you can peg it with the SVO. I haven't had any tuning or drivability issues at all

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I'd go with the Allen kit. You'll make more power with it...And thats why your doing it..For power no?

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Unless you overspin the Allen at 9psi i don't think you are going to make significantly more power...and of course running any of these blowers above 6 psi on a stock block you are living on borowed time. Would be interesting to see a dyno sheet of both side by side (stock 6psi installs). I have seen sheets for an SVO making just under 300 at the wheels on stock heads and 6psi

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I'd go with the Allen kit. You'll make more power with it...And thats why your doing it..For power no?
Also FMU's are junk, and I wont have anything to do with such sort. Allen kit uses a FMU fuel Management Unit, which I dont trust. IMO I prefer to tune with the injectors and not run them over 80% all the time like the FMU does. And also you dont make much more power if any with the allen kit, its just nice to have the innercooler.

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...and of course running any of these blowers above 6 psi on a stock block you are living on borowed time.
Are PI blocks stronger? There's a guy on one of the local WV boards I'm on that's running a Vortech, and his boosts to about 10-12 psi, and he's on his stock internals. No issues as of yet....not that it won't happen eventually...but it seems to be holding up fine so far.

As for the FMU, I was told by Blake and Lonnie that by using the 90mm LMAF and 42lb injectors, that there's no need for the FMU.

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Are PI blocks stronger? There's a guy on one of the local WV boards I'm on that's running a Vortech, and his boosts to about 10-12 psi, and he's on his stock internals. No issues as of yet....not that it won't happen eventually...but it seems to be holding up fine so far.

As for the FMU, I was told by Blake and Lonnie that by using the 90mm LMAF and 42lb injectors, that there's no need for the FMU.
i know jerry tends to not tune blown cars with FMUs. Using injectors that are not at a maxed duty cycle, helps the tune.




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