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SC'ing options for a DOHC

I'm just trying to get a game plan together here. I think ultimately I'd like to throw 6-7 psi of boost at my 96 Mark motor. What options are there? Best? Cheapest? Discuss.....

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I'd say you've got two options:

1. Centrifugal, used or new...used Vortech would likely be the most readily available as well as cheapest option, but there are others out there. An S-Trim would probably suffice.

2. KB 96-98 Cobra kit...probably will have to buy new. Would give you more bottom end for sure, but if you've got 4.56 gears than I suppose who cares...lol

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What about fitting up a 99 era Cobra SC? Can this be made to work?

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Well the 99-01 Cobras were N/A, the 03-04 has the M112 but the manifold it sits on bolts up to the tumble port heads. It wouldn't work unless you fabbed up your own intake manifold or swapped heads.

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I thought the later ones used the tumble port heads, but I didn't know if the manifold could be adapted or not. Oh, and I'm obviously not real up to speed about Cobras, because I thought for some reason they went SC'ed in 99, and were NA for 96-98. Thanks for the info!

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Alright, digging up old stuff here.....

So is there any easy way to make a Vortech work with my Gen 1 Mark intake? I haven't found much, but this isn't my forte. I'm just trying to learn whats available. What do the Gen 1 Mark guys do? All the stuff I find here is about Gen 2's.

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I was looking at that very option and what I was "thinking" was this:

Take the OEM hard tube air intake from the Gen I, resin it in fiberglass or carbon fiber (just using the mesh as a covering), and then just plumb the output of the Centrifugal into the opening that originally went to the MAF tube. The small 1.5” round outlet in the air tube (where it plumbs to the “resonator chamber”) could be used to plumb to a blow off valve so the tube would never see much boost. I think the tube is pretty strong, but a layer of glass around it would really strengthen it up.

But this was just what I came up with in my head when I was looking at that setup for my 94, so I have no idea if that would work. But I know a carbon fiber intake tube plumbed to a centrifugal supercharger on a Gen I would look awesome!!

I think most everyone with a Gen I that goes boosted, first converts over the Cobra intake and then just goes that route.

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I think ThomasA on the SCCoA site has a blown 97 Mark VIII. No, wait, I KNOW he has one. I've seen it, awesome car!

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/member.php?u=236

look him up, I'm sure he could help you out with info, though his is a 97 and I assume a Gen II. (I'm not real informed about Marks)


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Again though, those are both Gen 2 setups. I'm looking at Gen 1 for now. Seeing what the options are without changing intakes.

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What you want to do is use a 96 - 97 Cobra kit. You'll have to fab up your own inlet pipe, that's the easy part. The hard part is getting the SC inlet piping to fit between the SC and the radiator. You will have to cut and move the radiator lower mount and move it to lower the whole radiator in order to clear the inlet. There's actually more to it than this but just to give you an idea. It's all up to how good you are at your own fabrication. Or you take it to a shop and have them do it. I've done a couple of them.

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Thanks for your input Lonnie. I wonder....I've been thinking of getting rid of the AC....I wonder if removing the condenser would allow the radiator to be moved forward enough to provide the required clearance. Just thinking out loud here, because I haven't really looked at it on the car. It may not even be feasible, depending on the size of the condenser. Hmmm....

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Looking at another angle, what needs to happen to make a 96-98 Cobra KB kit work? Aside from the obvious hood clearance issues.....

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Looking at another angle, what needs to happen to make a 96-98 Cobra KB kit work? Aside from the obvious hood clearance issues.....

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From what I've found, you'll need the following 96-98 Cobra parts to install a 96-98 Cobra KB onto a Gen I Mark 8 engine:

throttle body
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intake tube
fuel rail
IMRC's

The cool thing is that the KB kit is now based on a 2.1L big bore twin screw blower.

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If you do choose to get rid of the AC, you will have a ton of room to move the radiator forward. You will just have to figure out how to mount it but that shouldn't be a huge deal if you can fab things yourself (or somebody in that race car family of yours )

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From what I've found, you'll need the following 96-98 Cobra parts to install a 96-98 Cobra KB onto a Gen I Mark 8 engine:

throttle body
throttle body cable
intake tube
fuel rail
IMRC's

The cool thing is that the KB kit is now based on a 2.1L big bore twin screw blower.

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Actually....the '96-'98 Cobra one only got the upgrade from the 1.5L to the 1.7L
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There's no after cooler either. I was thinking of trying this but then figured if I'm going to go that route I might as well switch heads and get a kit with the cooler.

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Actually....the '96-'98 Cobra one only got the upgrade from the 1.5L to the 1.7L
http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...angcobra46.htm
It's actually just been upgraded again to the 2.1L. The website just hasn't been updated yet. Take a look at the price list on the KB website. It was just updated back on 8/2/06. The kit is TS1000-96C, and it is listed as a 2.1L. The blower went from a 1.7L to a 2.1L, and the price went from $3699 to $3799.

If you're planning on sticking with 6 psi, an aftercooler isn't absolutely necessary.

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It's actually just been upgraded again to the 2.1L. The website just hasn't been updated yet. Take a look at the price list on the KB website. It was just updated back on 8/2/06. The kit is TS1000-96C, and it is listed as a 2.1L. The blower went from a 1.7L to a 2.1L, and the price went from $3699 to $3799.

If you're planning on sticking with 6 psi, an aftercooler isn't absolutely necessary.

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On my 93 Mark, I tipped the ac condenser all the way forward, made some new
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93, 94 & 95 Mark ecm's are OBD1 and cannot be re-flashed, so a chip must
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I bought a SCT ProRacer kit which allows you to program your own chip, but
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You have any pics of your setup?

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I bought a new camera to document the project and took a bunch of pictures,
but they're still in the camera. I haven't even loaded the photo software on
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snapping family picts and soon the chip will be full.
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I've been considering swapping to the Cobra intake when I SC mine, just to make the SC install cleaner. But that adds another $500 (roughly) to the project. Now, I can justify that to myself if I'm convinced that the Cobra manifold will make signifigantly more power than the Mark's. Otherwise, I'm adding $500 to the project because I'm too lazy to make an intake tube for my existing manifold!

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So just curious, what kinda hp/tq numbers is the DOHC gonna see with the KB kit on it? Any guesses?

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So just curious, what kinda hp/tq numbers is the DOHC gonna see with the KB kit on it? Any guesses?

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I'm expecting around 370-380 rwhp or so, with a slightly lower rwtq number.

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