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replacing stuts

im going to replace my struts the question i have is do i HAVE to replace the strut mounts when i do this?

and they are just for the top correct?

also can anyone give me torque specs on all the strut bolts...

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Shocks. These arent mustangs

The upper mounts are a "while your there" job, they arent expensive and could probably use replacing. The lower bolts are 148-162 ft-lbs, the upper mount bolts are 37-45 ft-lbs and the middle nut is 37-45 ft-lbs.

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Shocks. These arent mustangs

The upper mounts are a "while your there" job, they arent expensive and could probably use replacing. The lower bolts are 148-162 ft-lbs, the upper mount bolts are 37-45 ft-lbs and the middle nut is 37-45 ft-lbs.
ok not to sit there and be here just to argue but why does summit call them struts and kyb who makes them call them struts?

and don't our cars have a mcpherson strut type suspension? i googled struts and i didnt see a difference can you explain the differences?

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We have Short arm Long Arm suspensions with "coilover" shocks mounted to the lower control arms. Mcpherson struts mount to the top knuckle and use lower control arms only.

Summit like most retailers probably don't know **** about mn12's and kyb sucks.

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ohhhhhh ok thanks xr7. so if im looking to replace them i look for coilover shocks? and then to replace the upper mounts what am i looking for? what they call strut mounts?

thanks for the torque specs too

found these.. these are the right ones correct?........

http://www.shockwarehouse.com/site/p...ird-and-Cougar

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ok not to sit there and be here just to argue but why does summit call them struts and kyb who makes them call them struts?

and don't our cars have a mcpherson strut type suspension? i googled struts and i didnt see a difference can you explain the differences?
A "real" strut has an upper mount that moves when you turn the wheel. There is a distinction.

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ohhhhhh ok thanks xr7. so if im looking to replace them i look for coilover shocks? and then to replace the upper mounts what am i looking for? what they call strut mounts?

thanks for the torque specs too

found these.. these are the right ones correct?........

http://www.shockwarehouse.com/site/p...ird-and-Cougar
mororematic is total garbage, they don't even have a warranty! Plan on replacing them in a year or two.

Go with OEM motorcraft (post a request in the parts counter thread) or monroe sensatracs(lifetime warranty, just hold your receipt). There is also KYB and Tokico. Check rockauto. You can also find a 5% discount code for rockauto.

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haha ok, thanks for the heads up, any idea what the oem coat is from the parts counter?

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rockauto has motorcraft parts under shock absorbers but idk if it's the coilovers.. would I have to by the springs with it?

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I can vouch for the SensaTracs - they make a "quick strut" (again, not really a strut) that is SO easy to install (once you get the old one out, hehe). Basically unbolt the top 3 mounting bolts and lower mounting bolt to the LCA and it's out. Installation is "bolt them in" - not a thing needing to be done to the assembly. Make sure you get new bolts/nuts though.

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where did you get those sense trace?

and again can I use the ones from rockauto that are under the shock absorbers? the motorcraft ones..

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The SensaTrac Quick Strut comes as an assembly, I bought them from RockAuto - IIRC they were $130 each. I replaced mine because a) they were original units with 105,000+ miles on them, b) the springs on both front units were broken, c) the right rear shock was leaking and needed replacement, and d) and I was replacing both rear shocks because they too were originals. I ended up ordering a full set: two sensatrac shocks for the rear and two quick struts for the front. The car feels much tighter with the new shocks all around, I definitely recommend them. You can't beat the price. Again, be sure to order new lower shock mounting bolts. My old ones were rusted in so I had to use a hack saw to cut the bolt into pieces to get it out.

For the front you need a unit from the "strut assembly" category on RockAuto. The rears will be under "shock absorber". Unless you have the ability to re-mount the old springs on a new shock for the front or have a particular need to go with another shock, just go with the quick strut. So easy, plus your springs will be new - less chance of breakage later.

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so could i just get shock absorbers for the front and use the old springs?

the springs appear to be in ok condition..

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You could, but personally I think it's a lot of extra work and there's always that uncertainty factor.

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extra work being...? and uncertainty? of the springs being ok?

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i think he means extra work is buying shocks and springs seperate i replaced mine with a quick strut..er hem... shock "what ever" that is the shock and spring ready to go in your car

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Extra work putting the spring and front shock together. And yes, uncertainty about the remainder of service life left in the springs.

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hmmmm alright then that sounds like my best bet, thanks for the help and showering me the part..

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did you replace the strut mounts when you put in the quick struts?


nvm, i can see in the picture it comes with it. your right that is a pretty good deal and looks real simpple to install

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This statement from tbirdguy is true, "monroe sensatracs(lifetime warranty, just hold your receipt). There is also KYB and Tokico"

I have had my monroe sensatracs for 18 months they have never been right. now one of my strus are machanically gone. I just recieved my shipment for AJUSA and I amy going to install Tokico's. I am also replacing my springs with 1.5 lowering springs. I will never go back to monroe's
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We have Short arm Long Arm suspensions with "coilover" shocks mounted to the lower control arms. Mcpherson struts mount to the top knuckle and use lower control arms only.

Summit like most retailers probably don't know **** about mn12's and kyb sucks.
oh ok thanks for clearing that up.

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did you replace the strut mounts when you put in the quick struts?


nvm, i can see in the picture it comes with it. your right that is a pretty good deal and looks real simpple to install
Yes, I have them too. Saves the trouble of swapping springs. Like I said, keep your receipt. If they start to leak or malfunction you will definately have recourse.

They replaced mine when I emailed them my receipt, They didn't even want the strut back. I had a new set upsed to me in less than a week. Because of that I'm a customer

I think they give a decent ride though.

Make sure to get a rockauto discount code..its 5% off, will cover your shipping. If you buy 2 quickstruts before may 31 you get 50 dollars back too!!! Who can beat that!

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just to confuse you, mustangs use- well the old foxes used Modified McPherson struts. basically a non coil over setup or a wishbone in fwd.
McPherson struts simply are shocks that also double up in duties and assume the duties of the upper control arm and upper ball joint. The lower end is located by a lower control arm, either a wish bone or simple arm and strut to locate it. Thus there are three points which locate the suspension, and the steering axis is the center of the shock.

A McPherson strut is a McPherson strut wheather or not it uses a coil wrapped around the shock (strut) or a coil located between the lower control arm or even a torsion barfor spring.

Our cars do have front shocks which carry the front coil spring wrapped around it, it has a large center shaft, but while it may look like a McPherson strut out the box, it is simply a shock absorber. The steering axis is not prescribed by it, it does not locate the front wheel hub or spindle, it has nothing to do with direction of travel.

My '85 has McPherson strut front suspension with the coil spring located between lower control arm and frame. It has the one ball joint where the spindle attaches to the lower control arm, the top of the spindle being attached to the strut with two bolts. The upper mount is adjustable to help set allignment, but it does not rotate. Rotation to steer the car is simply the lower part of the strut rotating around the center rod. My Koni struts have a tang where you place a knob to adjust rate, it's on the end of the rod under the hood.

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And to Correct Matt. The Lower bolt is 125-170 ft lbs, the middle nut on the top is 37-52 ft lbs and the mount bolts are 17-22 Straight from the Ford CD

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We have Short arm Long Arm suspensions with "coilover" shocks mounted to the lower control arms. Mcpherson struts mount to the top knuckle and use lower control arms only.

Summit like most retailers probably don't know **** about mn12's and kyb sucks.
Regardless of whether or not you are correct in referring to the front dampers on MN12 Thunderbirds & Cougars as shocks instead of struts, doing so only causes confusion. If you shop for new front struts/shocks for our cars, they are labeled as struts EVERYWHERE (AutoZone, Advance Auto, Midas, Monroe, etc.) - even in the Ford factory service manual! Even the upper mounts are called STRUT mounts!

This is only going to confuse those of us who are not as mechanically inclined or as familiar with our cars as some of us are.

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If you get confused by shocks vs. struts you shouldn't be working on your car. I'm not going to call something the wrong thing because the common herd think coils mounted to shocks = struts. Idiots with that mentality are what caused confusion in the first place.


AutoZone, Advance Auto, Midas, Monroe, etc. all suck, and my service CD does indeed call them SHOCKS.

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I don't get confused by the shock/strut misconception at all - I simply call them what they are commonly referred to by probably 95% of everyone who matters.

The fact that the coil spring is mounted around/over the damper has nothing to do with it - I owned a 1977 For Mustang Cobra that had coil springs mounted around/over the front shock, and I never referred to it a a strut! It has everything to do with what the vehicle manufacturer and parts suppliers call it.

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Yea and from a strictly OEM standpoint the vehicle manufacturer and parts suppliers call them shocks. What the aftermarkets call them is meaningless(other than being a red flag).

The factory brochures call them shocks, the factory service CD and website call them shocks, and most importantly, by definition are shocks.

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The factory service manual has a repair procedure for front upper STRUT mounts, but I do see that they refer to the actual dampers themselves as SHOCKS, so I stand corrected on that point!

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