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call me crazy...

But I am considering re-installing the cut sport springs that my car had previously. Right now, it has 100% stock SC springs...

the car was a total pain in the ass when it was that low, but it had serious personality and appeal...now? It's just a boring old tbird...slammed, it's unique...

Other than that, what are the absolute lowest dropping springs I can buy? Eibach doesn't seem much different than stock...vogtland, well, they don't seem very low either...

and I've kinda looked around at baggedbirds.com but anybody ever bag their bird and live to tell about it?

It did handle really nice when it was super low....

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You're crazy. I like it higher. IMHO the stock height is perfect. But its about what you like not what I like.

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Do eet! the fact that you took a pic of it at the stock height from behind the trees says it all

I'm using Tokico springs with 3/4 coil cut off which looks to be just under an inch taller or so than yours was with the cut sports, I've had no issues with rubbing or anything like that.

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Do eet! the fact that you took a pic of it at the stock height from behind the trees says it all

I'm using Tokico springs with 3/4 coil cut off which looks to be just under an inch taller or so than yours was with the cut sports, I've had no issues with rubbing or anything like that.
I agree with Matt, although I wouldn't want it as low as you originally had it. I prefer and recommend the Vogtlands.

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I have the eibachs on my lincoln, and for a daily driver, they are great. They are a 1.5" drop, so about the same as the vogtlands would be. My front bumper does occasionaly scrape on steep driveways, but it certainly isn't low enough to be impractical, and the eibachs are a progressive spring, so they are actually softer than stock SC springs at first, but then get way stiffer as they compress, so for daily driving the car is still comfortable, but when you start throwing it through corners, it stiffens up and actually handles well. For a weekend only car, or a track car, I would want something stiffer, but for something you like to just cruise around in, they are great.

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slammed is best. I say put it back. It looked amazing that low.
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I like the low look. That low though would be a ***** trying to get around here with all the potholes. I'd love to drop mine as well.

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Earl, how many coils were cut on those sports?

That's a bit lower than I want.

CrystalPistol used a formula of 1 turn in front, 5/8 turn in the rear, and it gives it a better stance, IMHO.

I'm thinking of modding my next set of Konis to have adjustable spring perches... And trimming the springs.

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I have eibachs also and I love em! Great ride and the drop is perfect IMO. Earl, put ur cut springs on the front and leave the stock ones in the rear.. I wanna see how it would look with the front slammed and rear raised.. Lol

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... Earl, put ur cut springs on the front and leave the stock ones in the rear.. I wanna see how it would look with the front slammed and rear raised.. Lol
LOL now that would be interesting to see.

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JeffTbird93 did a complete air conversion. More photos are on baggedbirds IIRC. He's the one who made me want to consider doing it again. Unfortunately I love the ability to play around with the height and raise and lower pressures and what not but I hate the reliability of air suspension. I'm not Rockefeller I can't afford to fix/replace bags/lines/compressors every two years or so on a daily driver. I love my tokico kit. 1 1/4" drop front and rear, my mark was lowered on 2" drop suspension techniques and while I loved the look the practicality sucked. If I could have afforded to replace the entire air suspension on the mark I would have installed a ray's switch and sensor lowered it and likely been done with it, but again with budget and practicality I just swapped it to springs instead. My $0.02 drop it but not that extreme. I'm not sure why your so set on the Stock hight, or scraping concrete status, find a happy middle ground.

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Ok...big thanks for the photos...I really like the h&r springs I think I might go with those...Chris, you have the tokiko springs? Do you have their shocks too?
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and I've kinda looked around at baggedbirds.com but anybody ever bag their bird and live to tell about it?

I know of a few birds still on air suspension. Most of the failed projects were not because the air system messed up - the owners just gave up on the rides like so many have done on countless other projects in the past.

When you keep things simple - use smaller airline, buy more efficient, reliable compressors .. it will last just as long as any factory installed air suspension ( 10-15 years .. rubber doesnt last much longer than that )

.. baggedbirds website is not up anymore.
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Ok...big thanks for the photos...I really like the h&r springs I think I might go with those...Chris, you have the tokiko springs? Do you have their shocks too?
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JeffTbird93 did a complete air conversion. More photos are on baggedbirds IIRC. He's the one who made me want to consider doing it again.
Heh, just happened to be browsing through and caught this. I only had it bagged for a few months before I took all the stuff off and sold it to Blown38. I loved the car on air, but it just wasn't my thing after all (sucks it took me 2 months of work to figure that out). Layed out the car looked hot, and I could get a good 18" of ground clearance all the way up. I guess I was always paranoid about something going wrong on a long trip, and I kinda got bit by the racing bug again.

The car is on Intrax springs right now, and they look to sit a little lower than TM's car above. Personally, if you wanted to get rid of those cut sport springs, I'd take them off your hands if I knew I'd be ok up front.

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My SC is lowered 3 inches. I love the way looks. But on the other hand big bumps do suck. But then again it handles so well. I like them lowered. I don't think I would go with 3 inch I would probably do a max of 2 inches.

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Nice Nick!!!! Haha
That's in my color bird too... Lol

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Well here goes.

I know the bagged birds arent a popular deal here but since you guys are talking about them and asking if any of them are still alive ill speak up.
Ive been working on this car for the past 5 years. Its a work in progress or "under construction" turning it into a weekend cruiser / show car.
I had originally bagged it on 18s using it as my daily driver and it worked out good but i decided to tear it all down and rebuild it on 20" billet wheels. It has a fully adjustable self built suspension, the car lays sub frame front and rear and lifts just as high as stock springs, and after i add shocks it will ride very nice.


If you dont like it thats fine, but please dont bash it. I have put alot of time, work, research and money into this project. some of you may have already seen it, here are a couple of pics.





That is not an aftermarket fuel door, its actually shaved waiting for the body work.


Earl, i like the look of your car slammed but its no fun bouncing and scraping around in a daily driver. if you cant go adjustable maybe invest in a nice set of drop springs like Matts cougar, that car is sexy.
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Bagged95,
I love the rims man!! Those are sharp! Where did you run across those at?

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I like it too, and bagged birds usually arent my...bag Billet wheels just look so right on mn12's, smooth and clean.

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Hey Matt,
Did you customize the bottom of your front bumper for the foglites? I really like that! Looks stock and clean!

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Thanks! That's the look I was going for I had to make a longer L bracket in the middle to "push" the bottom of the bumper cover down a bit for the lights to clear the frame rails, but it's otherwise the stock bumper. The SC fog light brackets on the other hand took some modification to fit where I wanted them.

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Wow.. Well you done a great job!

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Here is a recent but crappy pic of how mine looks with my eibach springs..

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I think that looks really clean and nice, too! Sweet. Nice tag, too! lol I got a buddy in town that has that on his pick-up windshield.

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i say do it.... i got mine dropped 2'' all way around..

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