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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 06-26-2011, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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alignment done after suspension install caster is off (specs within)

Finally had the alignment done after installing the new frontend. Replaced everything, shocks,springs,all tierods, controlarms,swaybar bushings & endlinks, and of course ford strut rod components on both ends.
I noticed my caster is off on the spec sheet and i know they didnt make any adjustments there. Would it be possible to make a small adjustment on my left hand strutrod to bring it closer to spec, maybe a couple turns or 2 on the nut up front? I will be going back in a month or two when they will have Indy 500 tires back in stock(they are on national backorder). I scanned my spec sheet from tires plus.


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Exactly....... I have seen that before on an alignment sheet on one of my old cars and refused payment till they got it correct. I dont pay for "almost good".

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ill call them tommorrow and let them know it needs to be corrected. Thought maybe it was somthing i could quickly fix. This is exactly why i prefer to do my own work when possible.

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Dude I do alignments for a living along with everthing else but that car should pull bad, caster is not about spec more of you want a half degree more on the passenger side so it will track straight with the crown of the road, going but what I see that car prolly pulls left

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You are correct Robert, it does pull a bit to the left. It doesnt feel too bad, but im used to it being way off after the new parts were installed. I was the last customer of the day, guess they had a issue with another car before mine, so they cut 20 bux off my bill for taking longer. I paid $58 with tax. They better make room for me tommorrow, im ready to be done with this frontend.

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Definitely bring it back. The problem with just adjusting it yourself is that changing the caster measurement will change the camber and toe as well. Changing camber will change the toe, but not the caster, and changing the toe won't change anything else. What that looks like to me is that they put some kid on the job of doing your alignment, and all he knows is how to adjust toe. Many newer cars don't have any provision for adjusting caster or camber, so he probably didn't know, and just set the toe within spec and pushed you out the door. That is still no excuse cause most computerized alignment racks actually show you where the adjustments for everything are, so not only is the person who did the alignment inexperienced, but they can't follow directions either.

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Took it in today for the 2nd alignment, mechanic said he ran out of adjustment and couldnt do anymore. Guy at the front desk said somthing about shims for more adjustment on the strut rod. Im gonna have it double checked somewhere else when the tires are available. BTW the guy was in his mid 40's id say, same guy both times. heres todays results



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Either your car is bent or they don't know what they're doing.

Why did they not adjust the camber in the RR?

Take it somewhere else.

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Either your car is bent or they don't know what they're doing.

Why did they not adjust the camber in the RR?

Take it somewhere else.
They probably do not know that the inner/upper bushing is an adjustment point.

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There is no way they ran out of adjustment, they just don't know what they are doing. Get your money back from them for the alignment and take it somewhere else.

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Sloppy, very sloppy. It can be adjusted in the rear and unless your car is fubar bent then the front can be further adjusted. I'm surprised he didn't pull the ol' "Caster doesn't directly wear tires" quote on you.

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agreed plenty of adjustment there's no way it ran out of adjustment

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I snapped a couple of pics of the drivers side strut rod for the hell of it. You can see that they are in very different spots on the threads, not how i had it when i installed the new components. Yet the numbers for caster hardly moved.

Does anyone know which direction turning the nuts makes the caster move into the range i need? Say if you tighten, do the numbers move up or down in the caster section of the sheet above? Not that im going to try it myself, i just want to understand which direction in relation to the numbers. 1st pic is driver side, 2nd pic passenger, 3rd pic is the back side on driver side.






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After some more reading Ive discovered that the they should have turned the front nut to the right to pull the balljoint forward, increasing positive caster. Apparently he went the wrong direction. Now to find a good alignment shop with a quality machine and someone that knows how to use it. Once i have the new printout from somewhere else, im strolling back into tires plus and getting a refund.

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Correct, they should have adjusted it the other way to bring the lower ball joint forward. Like I said before, go get your money back from them and find an alignment shop that knows what they are doing.

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