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Question bad rear toe links?

So I took my 97 into the shop to have the alignment checked today. The back of the car has started to feel like it is steering on its own, especially at highway speeds. They told me the rear toe compensation links are shot. They want $250 to replace the pair. How hard are these to replace? I only find brief mention of them from searching on this site and can only find 2 places online that even sell them. Do you think that would cause the rear of my car to squirm and wobble on the freeway?

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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 07-18-2011, 05:46 PM
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Was one of the two places RockAuto? http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/rafr...&parttype=7618

From there, about $85 to $90 delivered. Around here, a 4 wheel alignment is $70 to $100.

I'd say the $250 is a fair price to swap both of them and align the car.
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That was one of them. The other was supercoupe performance. That price didn't include the alingment, but i had one done less than 6 months ago so it was still under warranty. The problem is my steering rack is going out as well so they wont align it again until that is fixed. I have a little bit of play in the wheel but not super bad. They think my problem is caused by the rack, but to me it feels like its coming from the back. I could have sworn I had a low rear tire the other day the way it was pulling.

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Have you looked at the toe compensators?

Have you jacked the back of the car up and tried to wiggle the tire to see if anything is loose, and where that might be?

You know, the toe compensators and rack & pinion are the only suspension components on my car that haven't been replaced. Rob told me he's never replaced the toe compensators on his car either. I can't imagine that in Vegas you'd need to replcace the Toe Comps on account of weather unless they've just dry rotted ... ??

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Thanks for the info TM.

I haven't checked them out yet but I'll have time to take a look later this week. The symptoms I have sound like it could be a rear toe issue, but who knows.. I used to have a 69 Nova when i was in high school, and I broke a spring pin off one time from excess wheel hop. The axle would slide front and back so bad the tire would rub on the quarter panel. Got to love the old mono leaf cars lol! Thankfully my bird is not that messed up, but I got a similar feeling on the highway. Its enough to make me obey the speed limit for now anyway....

I know the rack is on its way out. I've been limping it along with lucas rack fix for the last year. The steering wheel has almost a inch of play in it sometimes, and the rack leaks too. Its one of those things that I just don't want to work on in the 110s if I can at all avoid it.

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Did you have to take the control ARM off or remove the springs? Might be a stupid question but I can't find a picture of where the part attaches and haven't had time to look under the car yet.

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Hello

Sorry to say if the toe comp's are bad, Chances your lower control arm bushings are also.

I run DLF's bushings, No longer use the toe comps.
As I am from western NY, they aren't in the best of shape.


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It this point, if you have never replaced the bushings, you should replace them all.

The inner and outer bushings on the control arms were worn out on my cars by ~150k miles.

Replacing those, and the compensators made it feel new; and pointed up how bad the front was, lol.

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Did you have to take the control ARM off or remove the springs? Might be a stupid question but I can't find a picture of where the part attaches and haven't had time to look under the car yet.
No, just have a jack under it for safety. Thats the only pic I have of the compensator link.



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It this point, if you have never replaced the bushings, you should replace them all.

The inner and outer bushings on the control arms were worn out on my cars by ~150k miles.

Replacing those, and the compensators made it feel new; and pointed up how bad the front was, lol.


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and if the rear toe compensators are shot your rear alignment won't be accurate.

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Thanks everyone for all your help. I will check out the links before I order anything new to replace them. Of course I just ordered new front calipers and pads for the car, before I found out about this latest issue..... So it looks like I'll be making due for a few weeks.

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The compensators aren't a critical item but getting a 4 wheel alignment with them shot is kind of useless.

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You don't have to drop the control arm to replace those; put a jack under the arm at that corner, and take the bolt out, replace toe corrector, and replace bolt.

But, as I said above, the bushings probably need to be replaced too; which means you need to drop the control arm.

Don't forget about the upper inner rear control arm bushing, mine were gone when I checked them.

If you put your foot against the top of the rear wheel, and rock the car sideways, that bushing will clunk if it's bad; when you check it, you'll find there's ~1/2" of play.

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My bushings for the compensators are completely shot. I will use the foot on top of the tire method to make sure the frame side control arm bushing is ok. The rest of the bushings look to be in relatively new shape. The sway bar end link bushings are bad also. i will replace those as well. I may end up doing all of them just to have them all done.
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My bushings for the compensators are completely shot. I will use the foot on top of the tire method to make sure the frame side control arm bushing is ok. The rest of the bushings look to be in relatively new shape. The sway bar end link bushings are bad also. i will replace those as well. I may end up doing all of them just to have them all done.


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