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Shocks, Shocks, Shocks!!!!!

Alright, for Christmas I am getting suspension pieces from everyone. And I used the "Suspension Parts" Thread to find most of the part numbers for my rebuild. But the one thing I am still missing is SHOCKS!!!!! But no matter where I search, I cannot find shock part numbers!!!

Here is what I need:

I am getting 2" Vogtland Springs, so I need shocks to go with them.

I have a Sport with JJJJ code springs and shocks I would like the equivalent or stiffer

Bird is used a few times a year Auto-x'ing

Any feedback from personal experience is appreciated

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Bilstein in the rear tokicos in the front.

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Tokicos are pretty much it for performance fronts.

Konis are history, as are Bilsteins.

Both are still available for the rear.

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Many people trash the Tokicos, But they work great for me on the LX

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Konis arent worth it unless you get the front inserts, there are 300+ buck racing inserts for konis I have heard for the fronts. Must be a reason aside from price no one is using them. Im not referring to the ones that were discontinued.

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Konis arent worth it unless you get the front inserts, there are 300+ buck racing inserts for konis I have heard for the fronts. Must be a reason aside from price no one is using them. Im not referring to the ones that were discontinued.
Not sure what you mean here, I'm running KONI shocks all around, and the front two are inserts and they all work great, best $800 ever spent, and all the shocks I have are discontinued now except the rear. Is there some kind of new style KONI front shock for our cars I'm not aware of?



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Bilstein in the rear tokicos in the front.
But will having 2 different sets of shocks affect the handling? Will it differ from having 4 matching shocks?

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Not sure what you mean here, I'm running KONI shocks all around, and the front two are inserts and they all work great, best $800 ever spent, and all the shocks I have are discontinued now except the rear. Is there some kind of new style KONI front shock for our cars I'm not aware of?
Yes there seems to be another insert very expensive more than what you have. This is just what I heard. Who spends 600+ on 2 inserts? No one so far.

Konis in the front is what I wanted but they were discontinued before I afforded them.

Having 2 different shocks on the car is not bad at all its way better than the matching monroes I had.

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Yes there seems to be another insert very expensive more than what you have. This is just what I heard. Who spends 600+ on 2 inserts? No one so far.

Konis in the front is what I wanted but they were discontinued before I afforded them.

Having 2 different shocks on the car is not bad at all its way better than the matching monroes I had.
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I really am pleased with the Tokico Blues on my '92, been on there with shortened Sport springs since 2008.



I had Konis on my '85 Fox T Bird from 1986 until I sold it last year with 145+ K miles on it and those things were absolutely ..... "SUPER". I never had them past about 1/2 way from loose to firm except when I first installed them to see how stioff they could be .... bone jarring. Fronts adjusted with a big plastic knob, rears you had to take loose at bottom and compress as you turned them in 1/2 turn clicks. I got them on a warehouse liquidation in 1986 out of NJ, $150 for two frt struts and two rear orange Koni adjustable shocks and they were in such a hurry to clean it out, I called one day and the next night as we were eating supper, UPS delivered them. I had only mailed the check that morning!

True story. Wish I could find such a deal today!

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Tokicos are pretty much it for performance fronts.

Konis are history, as are Bilsteins.

Both are still available for the rear.
Why not run tokicos all around? Is there something wrong with the rears?

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But it ain't the rear that needs to be "stiffer" than the front. It's the front that could sometimes use a little extra dampening.

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Does anyone have the part number for the Tokikos? So i can search ebay/amazon/ect... I always see people saying they run Tokiko "blues" but never a part number. Just seems there are very limited options for the front.

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Maybe this will help

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Does anyone have the part number for the Tokikos? So i can search ebay/amazon/ect... I always see people saying they run Tokiko "blues" but never a part number. Just seems there are very limited options for the front.

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There's only 2 versions available for these cars, the illuminas with the soft/firm setting(SC with ride control) and the blues which are just valved for firm.

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And the soft setting on my SC feels like no shocks at all, Talk about floating !!

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Monroes are garbage anyway, known fact lol
They dont blow out nor do they claim to be anything other than an OEM replacement. They did their job also much cheaper than a performance unit. They are fine if you like the Stock LX ride. But it seems not many here like that anyway. Ill agree with you only because you can get much better but at a price.

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They dont blow out nor do they claim to be anything other than an OEM replacement. They did their job also much cheaper than a performance unit. They are fine if you like the Stock LX ride. But it seems not many here like that anyway. Ill agree with you only because you can get much better but at a price.
X2 ..... I've used them before. I like a slightly stiffer ride sometimes, like on my '92 Sport. I had to replace them as the original Sport shocks were north of 130K, it was "bouncy bouncy" like. The Tokico Blues are much better than "that".

When I put the new coils on the '95 LX, it'll likely get Gabriel or Monroes. I've been putting it off because the originals still ride good and control excessive bounce even at over 70K.

I have Bilstein HDs on my '01 Merc, good shocks, holding up well, but truth be known if I had it to do over, I'ld spend half the money and get something that rides smoother. But there's not much market for good used Bilstein HDs for a 2001 Merc Grand Marquis and I have too much $$$ in them to simply toss them. The Addcos gave me good handling, the stock springs ride good ... just could maybe use slightly softer shocks for my taste.

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I have seen on a couple websites that list the "upper" and "lower" front shocks. Can anyone verify that this listing is all that I need:?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/89-97-Mercur...#ht_1416wt_952

and could you confim that this listing would would work for the rear.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSTANG-COBR...ht_3933wt_1012

Or would I just be better with this whole KYB kit?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KYB-4-GR-2-S...#ht_500wt_1156

THanks for all your inputs!!!

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Tokico Blues are the "HP" series, and for MN12s (89-97 Birds and cats) the part numbers are:
HU3689 front
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I got mine several years ago $199 off ebay, but can't find them there now. I found this though: http://www.andysautosport.com/ford/1...shocks/tokico/ that looks like about $250 for the set?

I would get all 4, no need to mix if there's no need and if you get the rear too stiff, you'll hurt ride quality and the imbalance will make the front seem "looser". No doubt the Bilstiens are stiffer .... but really, the Tokico Blues are pretty good. Tokico makes a lot of OEM shocks including the Ford PI shocks that we found last over 100K on police cars.

I don't know much about the KYB-GR-2 shocks?

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I think I have read that the blues for what they are better than the KYBs . I have no complaints about my blues.

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We have really badly rilled roads here in Northwest Louisiana (think "concrete washboard").

The KYB Excel GR-2s on the front and the ACDelco Premiums on the back ride much better than the old ARC shocks did - the ARCs had two settings, "Shock? What shock? Let's see how long we can bounce!" to "Shock? You mean this solid steel rod?" The first would keep bouncing like crazy, the latter would have the TIRES bouncing off the road around corners ... neither one was good.

I know XR7-4.6 will disagree with me on this (and will others!), but for a DD, unless you're doing a lot of corner carving, Monroes (and that includes the EZStrut front kits!) or ACDelcos or even GR2s may be a better choice.

Now, if you want to stop on a dime and be able to tell from the feel what year it was and which mint it was struck at, no, they aren't any good

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I'm against turning a XR7 into a LS, yes. Abandoning all the merits of a relatively rare option package is a real pet peve of mine. But I digress...

The Blues aren't that stiff, hence my desire to upgrade from them. I'd use blues on any daily driven MN12 as the minimum, they are a good match for the lowering springs available and do fine with stock setups too.

Yes braking and handling is more important to me than road isolation. Chicago roads suck too, but so do the drivers. Hence the need for the car to respond to my commands NOW.

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Blues in the front are on my DD I can live with them np, Matt is right they arent that stiff, but add in SC springs on 17s and then its a different story. At that point you might have some people disliking the ride quality. I went from owning a plush GM on 17s to a ridged bird. The 90XR7 seats are really comfortable upgrade if you can get them. I felt that the LX seats are nice and supportive but not for my body type. Basically my originals have me feeling like Im sitting on a hill the PO and myself obviously weighed very little as the seats arent even really broken in. Not many consider the seat itself to be a cause of discomfort and blame it on a shock/spring being too stiff.

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I had Koni's on the front for about 6 months, one of the inserts blew out and I threw them in the trash. Didn't even try to warranty them. Replaced them with HP blues and they are fine. They got a little floaty after about a year of DD but are still good shocks. I also have 1.5" drop Eibachs, 1-1/4" front sway bar, FSSB and a LECB so my front end probably wouldn't be too floaty with any kind of shock. I do still have the Koni's in the back though, it allows me to at least adjust the rear stiffness to reduce over/under steer.

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