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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-07-2014, 10:42 AM Thread Starter
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did somebody here ever thought about put a 04-06 Crown Vic front sub frame in a T bird ??

i watched a couple TV shows putting this in a truck so i wonder would there be a

Benefit put that in a T bird

any Input will be appreciated
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So what you're saying is that to begin with, you think it will fit in a Tbird??
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how they do it on a truck is simple with sleeve tubes that the frame doesn t collapses

is a 4 bolt setup plus in the rear is a bracket needed for the lower controll arm

if it fits thats what i try to find out here

and Crown vics ending more up in the junk yard these days
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we'll simply wait for you to try it, so everone else can find out
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So my question is, why would you want to put a Crown Vic subframe under a Thunderbird? What would be the advantage?
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-07-2014, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
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better handling due the larger better designed controll arms

less weight is all aluminum

brake upgrade dual piston caliper

bolt cycle change crown vics are 5x 4.5


easyer to wrench on the engine
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better handling due the larger better designed controll arms

less weight is all aluminum

brake upgrade dual piston caliper

bolt cycle change crown vics are 5x 4.5


easyer to wrench on the engine
Sounds to me like swatting a fly with a shotgun. More work for minimal gains.
A simple hub swap will get you your 5x4.5 bolt circle. No major work required, very minor fabbing up if you use Mustang Rotors to relocate the calipers, and I think you only have to do that on the back.

A brake upgrade again is very simple, PBR caliper swap when you do the Mustang hubs. Piece o cake.

How much stuff down low on the engine do you really have to wrench on regularly? The oil change is a pain, but nothing a remote oil filter won't fix. Changing the water pump is easy, LOTS of room up front with the 4.6 too.

We can get larger anti sway bars already, no reason to swap the complete sub frame and lose the unique and effective front suspension.

It just seems like a lot of work to do things that we already do much more easily.
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Sorry to be mean, but this is definitely one of those things where if you have to ask on a forum whether it can be done, you can't do it. That's not to say it can't be done, but it will require a lot of fabrication work, and the kind of person who has the ability to do that fabrication wouldn't ask a forum first, they would just do it. Also, as was stated above, this would be a lot of work for minimal gain. On an old muscle car, it is a nice swap because it gets you modern suspension in a tight package, but we already have a suspension that is just as good, if not better than what the crown vics have, so there is really no gain in that department.

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was just a question if someone was trying it

and no the Thunderbird suspension is anything else but better than crown vic

especially here south west michigan or northern indiana where the roads are crap

and need every 3 months an alignment
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Solution. Addco 1+1/8 sway bar, the SC springs, and a mustang hub swap!
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was just a question if someone was trying it

and no the Thunderbird suspension is anything else but better than crown vic

especially here south west michigan or northern indiana where the roads are crap

and need every 3 months an alignment
I live in northern Minnesota, the roads here are crap too, you just drive around the pot holes. The suspension design on the Crown Vic is very utilitarian, but not any "better" handling wise than the Thunderbird. Put good shocks/springs on it, good tires, and try not to hit the big holes.

Not trying to insult you, or anything like that. Just saying that it would be a LOT of work for stuff that is much more easily done otherwise.
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was just a question if someone was trying it

and no the Thunderbird suspension is anything else but better than crown vic

especially here south west michigan or northern indiana where the roads are crap

and need every 3 months an alignment
I thought about the idea for a little while, it would be an easier swap for a truck.

The Thunderbird suspension is far superior to anything you would find on a crown victoria. Short arm/Long arm with a strut rod that deflects the load further up the front of the chassis.

Your location seems to be the major factor here with a 20 year old car. We dont have this problem where I live. A Crown vic suspension is going to deteriorate the same, and I would be surprised if you could get everything lined up perfectly to get a proper alignment after doing this type of modification.

List of parts you would need, full crown vic front suspnesion, fabricate mounting to body, 4.5" wheels, and 4.5" Cobra IRS hubs ( not cheap ), or swap to a solid axle while youre at it.
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i hear you guys

was just an idea since i can get the CV subframe pretty cheap at the boneyard

thanks for the input
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