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Need one rear shock Tokico

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I have been a reader here for a long time but this is my first post.
I have a '95 Cougar XR7 4.6 that I bought used in 1998 with 21,000 miles on it and have maintained it myself ever since (now at 83,000). But now I need a little help. As you guys know some parts are getting hard to find.

I need one new Tokico HE3690 rear shock. (I have one new one) Does anybody know where I can buy one of these?


The car failed California smog and I thought this was the end. But I installed new engine valve stem seals and it passed smog with flying colors. So I put some new parts in the front suspension. Tokicos, ball joints, bushings, and all is like new. Now the back is one shock short.

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I have read that the 1999-04 Mustang Cobra rear shocks can be used on the MN12.
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Thanks Scott! I need to give them a call to see if they're still available. I heard they are discontinued.

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I have read that the 1999-04 Mustang Cobra rear shocks can be used on the MN12.
Read ya later, Nick
They will fit but I would caution you to replace your shocks in pairs at least.
Otherwise, a new rear driver side dampener coupled to an old but not quite blown rear pass side dampener could make for some "exciting" and not very predictable driving.

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Thanks for the source. I did buy a shock from the supercoupe.com site.
These Tokicos are hard to find because they are getting out of the shock business.

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Good advice regarding replacing shocks in pairs.
I have installed 2 on the front and have one new rear one waiting to install when the second new one arrives.
I was almost ready to give up and either leave the KYBs on or buy a pair of another brand. But now, I soon will have 4 new Tokicos on my Cougar.
Like Mr. T used to say 'I love it when a plan comes together'.
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Good advice regarding replacing shocks in pairs.
I have installed 2 on the front and have one new rear one waiting to install when the second new one arrives.
I was almost ready to give up and either leave the KYBs on or buy a pair of another brand. But now, I soon will have 4 new Tokicos on my Cougar.
Like Mr. T used to say 'I love it when a plan comes together'.
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So supercoupe performance actually has them? Not sure they are worth $800, that is some kind of markup.

All I have found so far is deadends. One place appears to have them in my cart if you force feed in the part #, but if you put in your car it doesn't even list the Tokicos as an option.

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I too found lots of dead ends trying to find that last shock. Twice I paid for shocks and had to get reimbursed because they could not get them.

After all that I am certain that the only place that I could buy the Tikoco shock I wanted is supercoupes.com

I did buy one at his price (ouch - double what I paid for mine). I don't think I would have bought a set of 4. There are other brands out there.

We all know that car guys can get crazy when they want something. These are really well built shocks - almost as good as the Bilsteins. (my opinion)

If people buy the remaining 3 sets at the price listed more power to them and the seller.

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Buy the bilstein or konis for a 99-04 IRS mustangs.

However, a quick check:

8041-1270SPORT Koni's are showing special pricing, ON BACKORDER. at 136

Which means they're probably gone.

The
B6 Bilsteins, 24-185356 , are backordered as well at 99 bux.

B8 Bilsteins, 24-185974 , are backordered as well at 99 bux.

We may not have good options anymore.

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To mount a set of Tokicos, do you need any special hardware, or can you just re-use the factory front mounts?

My left front shock was squeaking at low speeds when it was cold, but has since gone away. Does the shock mount just need a little grease?

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Yes, the Tokicos are designed for the stock front mounts and hardware, so unless they're worn out they certainly can be reused. You sure it was the shock mount squeaking? Usually when they start to wear out the noises are more gnarly

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It sure sounded like it was coming from the strut. It squeaked 100% of the time when it was cold, when driving at low speeds, or if you pushed the car up and down in the front. Now, the sound is gone with the warm weather.

I did grease the hood rubber stoppers. The control arms, etc were all replaced by the P.O.

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I had a "scrunch" going over speed bumps slowly before my last front shocks and strut mounts. That lasted the whole time between new Monroes and new Tokicos up front. My strut mounts needed replacing badly when I finally replaced them with the Tokicos.

I think I got the Tokicos from "Shockwarehouse" linked above. Some people were surprised they were available again three years ago.

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I've always reused the mounts when I replaced the fronts. I did have to replace the mounts recently, they probably had 160k on them, the studs were loose and would wiggle by hand.
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The shockwarehouse doesn't have the Tokicos any more.

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the 99-04 Cobra's were kind of a rare breed, so some of their suspension stuff may be falling out of production. Tokico makes a good shock. I think 800 is worth it. I have a set of front Koni's I got from my parts Lincoln so I am good there, my rears I did about 3 years ago with KYB's because I am poor. Were I not able to go that route ya, the Tokico's would come right after tax money came back, or a big snow, or some big storm that kept me at work a few days straight with emergency pay

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The KYB front shocks used to make a rubbing sound sometimes. It was the plastic/rubber piston rod cover.

I installed the front Tokicos and used the old Ford mounts. Also a new moog lower strut busing. The shocks work as advertised and I like them very much.

I am looking forward to installing the rear shocks next week.

Too bad Hitachi got out of the automobile shock absorber business. They made a good product - as we know.

I looked 3 months before finding another rear Tokico. I think supercoupeperformance has the last known Tokicos and they think so too.

The price is up to a buyer. I paid plenty for one shock. My reason is I wanted to have a full set of Tokicos on my car. I am 75 years old and spent some of the kids inheritance. They will just have to suck it up. ha ha

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Sounds good! I splurged and got a set of Tokicos too. Trying to decide if I want to add an Addco rear bar. Everything else will be stock, at least that's the current plan. Probably just stick with the shocks.

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bigger rear bar helps ALOT. I do not know if it would be worth the 200 some dollars Addco commands, but with such a nose heavy car it is a big improvement to stiffen that rear up.

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I was thinking about a used set of SC springs too, for the full "Sport" suspension. God knows how many miles some of those have though.

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Has anyone installed a set of the Tokico HP's with stock springs? I am wondering how much of a difference just the Tokico's make, I have a set sitting here. Or do they pretty much need an aggressive spring or SC spring to notice any difference?

I am also thinking about the Addco 1 1/4" rear bar. I am just looking for a nice, smooth ride with decent handling, don't have many curves around here. Not crazy about lowering it, but I could possibly tolerate the 1" drop of the Vogtlands. This is my daily driver.

I just don't want to install the Tokico's, and not notice anything at all. That was my experience when I installed Monroe Sensatracs on my old '95 T-Bird (actually I hated them), and Motorcraft shocks on Brenda's old '96 Cougar. The only difference I noticed was they didn't hit the bumps as hard, which my 73k mile Bird is hitting them HARD right now. Have never seen anything like it. Front suspension has all been replaced.

I was considering a set of used SC springs from the TBCS shop, but damn, those things look rusty, and God know how many miles are on them. At least my stockers only have 73k miles on them, but they are 21 yrs old.

Opinions welcome!

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My opinion,

Springs in this kind of application don't really wear IMO. Any sort of corrosion would contribute to increasing the spring stiffness (derived from my years working on salt ridden plow trucks, ever try and drill corroded metal before?) so if anything the corroded springs would have a higher spring rate, witch may be a negative attribute to your desired outcome. Someone may chime in with actual metallurgy experience and rule out everything I just said.

I don't have any adult experience with Tokico shocks, I did as a child and a high schooler when I drove the car, but to my idiot young mind, yeah they were an improvement over stock LX stuff. I don't think you will be disappointed vs the Motorcraft or monroe's. I personally would not consider those any sort of performance increase over stock. They are IMO a stock replacement comparable shock.

Tokico designed the original SC suspension, so matching Tokico shocks with SC springs will probably get you the performance advantage and outcome you desire. I don't think because your springs are old detracts from them at all. I think they will be fine, and you should put them on with a matching set of Tokico shocks.

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Thanks for the advice. I am considering used SC springs and sway bars from the TBSC shop, but it looks like they don't have the front springs now.

For the used sway bars (which are also rusty, lol!), I would either have to re-use my end links, or get new ones. Are the mounting clips the same for all models the way TBSC shop claims? I would have thought the thicker bars required different clips or bushings.

Are rear spring insulators still available thru the aftermarket? I know Ford's are obsolete. Still can't get excited about the rusty used parts they sell. Zoom in on these springs, looks like the paint flaking also took away some of the thickness of the metal coil. https://www.tbscshop.com/rear-spring...-sc-1989-1995/

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I got confused, I thought you had a set of SC springs sitting there. I get that you have a set of Tokicos. Even just throwing those on should help. A larger rear bar helps a lot to. The LX spring rates are just to low to really take full advantage of both of those upgrades, so yeah SC springs, or better. I don't know how you accept the want to be truck tire to fender gap these cars have stock. After doing the Eibachs on mine over the weekend, there is just no going back to the off road stance it had before.

In any event, are you wrenching yourself? If you are, I say throw the Tokicos on and let her eat, the labor overlap to a rear sway bar doesn't work out. You can do a bar easily. If you aren't doing the labor, save up for a set of better springs and go that little bit extra, SC's or Vogtlands. I think the 1" drop Vogtlands would do you fine, don't sweat the low cars.

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I am most likely installing these myself, have done it before. The front springs can be sketchy if you don't go slow - me and a buddy had a little scare with one when a clamp spun to the other side in about .1 second!

I am a little bit older than you guys, so the look of a lowered car is not a top priority. But if I do, the PO installed Ford mudflaps on it, so they would have to go since they are on the verge of scraping now. At least I have the taller 215/70 tires to fill the wheelwell. I bought my old '95 with 215/65's on there, they looked like fat life savers!

Since you just installed Eibachs, did you just re-use the rear spring insulators?

I have a pair of new ones for the front. May not be necessary, but I wouldn't want to re-do the job just to replace them.

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Cobra rear isolators work, though they sit a tad higher than the rubber ones. Springs make way more handling difference than shocks, but shocks should match the springs.

I really like the Vogtland 1" drops, which sit taller than the cut Tokico springs I previously had, but the wheel is perfectly symmetrical with the opening all the way around the arc, and ground clearance is no longer an issue.

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How about the poly isolators that SCP sells? They are a little pricey, but what's new.

I am leaning towards the 1" Vogtlands and the Addco 1 1/4" rear bar.

How do these cars take the bumps with sporty suspension? If there is a complaint I have about the MN-12's is they don't take bumps well. Now that the shocks are worn, it is horrible. I like how our CVPI rides, very stiff but sturdy as a tank.

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