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Lol, true true. But if you could all go order a set, that'd be great, lol.
I plan to, when available.

I have been looking at alternatives, but they all seem to be on the same status.

There is apparently a Audi that uses either the B6 or B8 type shocks, and at least one of them has the forked bottom.

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I plan to, when available.

I have been looking at alternatives, but they all seem to be on the same status.

There is apparently a Audi that uses either the B6 or B8 type shocks, and at least one of them has the forked bottom.
I think this may be the example you mean:



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I haven't found the specs for it though. I also don't know how you would handle the spring either.

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I think this may be the example you mean:



Part # 24-066785

I haven't found the specs for it though. I also don't know how you would handle the spring either.
I never thought to look at RA!

Yeah, I see what you mean; it's hard to weld a perch to a finished shock.

Aluminum coilover, somehow?

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I think this may be the example you mean:



Part # 24-066785

I haven't found the specs for it though. I also don't know how you would handle the spring either.
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I never thought to look at RA!

Yeah, I see what you mean; it's hard to weld a perch to a finished shock.

Aluminum coilover, somehow?
I see some ears there for the lower spring mount; maybe a billet piece that bolts to that and holds the spring?

It'd be close to the design on my old 1967 Mustang ...



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No one will have these until Bilstein makes more; it may not happen at all, based on my experiences with Koni.

It's not like they give a fuck about us, lol.
It's always a numbers thing. The cost to setup the tooling to make that type of insert has to have enough demand to make it worth the time/effort. If they can't make money off it, no sense doing it.
True, but with these Mitsu 3k inserts, their (Bilstein's) market has increased two fold: Mitsu 3k owners who want these, us MN12 peeps who want these. If there are enough people from both camps that want these, I bet Bilstein will make them.

I've looked at various front strut options for the Mitsu 3k platform and they seem to be just as limited as us. If between their group of people and us being enough of a demand to have Bilsteing make these inserts, they may just make them.

Now....to have some people over there get in on this action.....

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I never thought to look at RA!

Yeah, I see what you mean; it's hard to weld a perch to a finished shock.

Aluminum coilover, somehow?
If I knew what other options were available to us, RA would have been my first place to check on that platform for availability. Amazon would have been my second place to check.

Looking at that picture though, and if that one specific strut will work, perhaps grinding down that lip at the top half of the body so it can slide into our stock strut body as an insert? I'd imagine cutting off the bottom of our strut body as well as the top so that it just rests on the two ears of that Bilstein body? The problem I see at that point though is that it would be a lot of pressure on those two ears and the ears eventually shearing off. Perhaps welding on a female receptacle on our stock strut body for it to mount?
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If there are enough people from both camps that want these, I bet Bilstein will make them

"Mr. Bilstien, Mr Bilstien! Demand for 3000GT inserts has suddenly doubled! 11-1/2 people are interested!"
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"Mr. Bilstien, Mr Bilstien! Demand for 3000GT inserts has suddenly doubled! 11-1/2 people are interested!"


You mean 3; me, MM, and CD's.

And that's guessing about MM, lol. He may already be done with that part, I can't remember.

The Really Nice thing about the tops he made us is that they will fit the Race Konis, but they're only slightly cheaper than Bill's QA's.
And I saw the post about them getting trashed in a single Lemons race.

$350 a race seems steep, somehow, lol.

Maybe they're only $250 to rebuild; but that rebuild price I saw was 10 years ago.


Koni told DLF that there was a powdered metal piece they were out of, and if a rebuild needed that part, they couldn't be rebuilt.

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I’m the half, I’m only interested in spending half what they cost

With that kind of longevity we should just find some Chinese supplier to make them for pennies. I truly don’t give a damn anymore what name is on it.
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You mean 3; me, MM, and CD's.

And that's guessing about MM, lol. He may already be done with that part, I can't remember.

The Really Nice thing about the tops he made us is that they will fit the Race Konis, but they're only slightly cheaper than Bill's QA's.
I'm pretty sure that MM is re-using his existing set on his build.

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And I saw the post about them getting trashed in a single Lemons race.

$350 a race seems steep, somehow, lol.
This is the one thing I've been reading about Koni products all throughout. They don't last very long.

My problem is if I'm going to be spending some coin on a product, I'd expect it to last a long time before it needs to be replaced.

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With that kind of longevity we should just find some Chinese supplier to make them for pennies. I truly don’t give a damn anymore what name is on it.
You know, I don't mind if it's made in China. There are tons of products that come from China that are built with very high quality. If a high quality product with the features I want comes from China that will work on our car, I'll gladly put it on my car.

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This thread went a long way away from the spring perches question.

If you want to do any kind of performance stuff with this car it does seem apparent that we are into custom territory now. I've said it in the other thread but creating something to act as the carrier for this wouldn't be that hard. The challenge would be finding the appropriate inserts. Koni does offer some of the best models for this but if they are a problem due to reliability then we should think about it a different way.

In any event, I think that if you don't want to race your car then you are probably just stuck with whatever is available from the likes of Amazon, Rock Auto, etc.
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In any event, I think that if you don't want to race your car then you are probably just stuck with whatever is available from the likes of Amazon, Rock Auto, etc.
Agreed; the Gabriel shocks I ran in the early '00's were fine for daily driving, and tended to last about 3 years or so.

They were cheap.

A quick look at Autozone says the Ultra's are $53.

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Just to bring this thread back - I did order and receive the alum "pucks". Ordered form https://www.mcmaster.com/1610t19 - with shipping I have about $25 in them, so just a couple bolts, washer, lock washer, etc. should be good to mount springs. I also ordered a set of prothane spring perches, and there will be about 1/4" of wiggle -but that is not enough to concern me. Thanks for the help gents - I'll bring the shock questions to the other threads once I find some movement there. After looking at the car more in depth, I've got some rot that need attention before these parts are going on the car, unfortunately. Thought it was just the rockers, but goes a little deeper. Anyone have any patience for sale
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