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Those elusive MOOG UCA's - pix and PN's

I had heard rumors that MOOG lower control arms existed, with the ball joints and bushings pressed in ready to install. I had been able to find the replacement ball joints and UCA's, but was never able to find the LCA's. Out of necessity and thanks to Big Scott's tireless efforts to track them down, not only was I able to find them but actually I purchased them for $75 each locally. Here's the proof:



and here are the part numbers:



Don't let the Car Quest boxes fool you they are MOOG's and MOOG PN's and if you look real close you might see the TRW stamp on the arm.

Now here is some really good news. You can actually get them here for under $50 a piece. Just point and click away all.

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Is that a bushing for the shock of some sort that I see there? I am wondering b/c I didn't use any type of bushing for the bottom shock mount when I put my Bilsteins on. They didn't have any on there before (shocks had been replaced by sears by previous owner), so I didn't put one on. If that is a bushing and it IS supposed to be there then does anyone know what effects not having it would make? I don't want to steal a thread so just PM me if you know. I need to get some of those lower arms my self.

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Is that a bushing for the shock of some sort that I see there?
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You can actually get the shock bushing and K-member bushings as separate items. MOOG PN's:

K8604 for the shock bushing ($14.04 at Rockauto)
K8766 for the K-member bushing ($16.46 at Rockauto)

It appears that those prices are per piece, not per pair, so $46.79 for the whole unit is souding better all the time. The lower ball joints (K8477) are $31.79 per.

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Do you think it makes a difference whether it is there or not? Realize this is an inquisitive question because I do know that there was a reason of course that the ford engineers used a bushing for the lower shock mount. I just don't want it to do anything bad before I change the lower arms.

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Do you think it makes a difference whether it is there or not? Realize this is an inquisitive question because I do know that there was a reason of course that the ford engineers used a bushing for the lower shock mount. I just don't want it to do anything bad before I change the lower arms.

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arent the MOOG units the same as the regular TRWs? They look jut like my TRW arms. I got mine from Discount for 67$ and it took 2 days to get them.

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arent the MOOG units the same as the regular TRWs? They look jut like my TRW arms. I got mine from Discount for 67$ and it took 2 days to get them.
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if you look real close you might see the TRW stamp on the arm.
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I don't know if the ball joints and bushings are the same as what is in the TRW. I suspect they are, but MOOG has their own parts and PN's for those items and markets them as "MOOG" parts. Does MOOG really make anything??? I don't know, but their strut rod bushings are poly and superior to the MN12 poly bushings.

The price from Rockauto.com is $46.79 per, plus shipping. I just ordered two for GB to be delivered in Atlanta.. total was $106 and change. We'll see how long it takes them to get there.

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You can actually get the shock bushing and K-member bushings as separate items. MOOG PN's:

K8604 for the shock bushing ($14.04 at Rockauto)
K8766 for the K-member bushing ($16.46 at Rockauto)
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You guys rock!! I have been hunting around all over the place for the shock bushing with no luck! I have new Poly's and new Ball joints on some spare arms, but the shock bushings were original and I really wanted to replace them!!

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I just finished installing a set of those on another member's car this past weekend, and they were MOOG, and actually came in MOOG boxes. I didn't realize you guys were having a hard time finding them, we actually ordered them from O'Reillys Auto Parts, and they came in 2 days later.

Dustin seemed pretty happy with his afterwards, we replaced uppers, lowers, and strut rod bushings at the same time. He had some creaks and rattles before, but last I heard, he had none anymore. Just a word of advise, if you are doing strut rod bushings, go ahead and schedule a front end alignment for the same day, we put the eccentrics on the LCAs back in the same position that they were in, and still was about 3/4" off on each side because of the difference in the new poly strut rod bushings. Easily fixed by a front end alignment, but also very necessary.
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I just ordered the upper and lower control arms w/bushings Thank you very much for providing pn's and steering me in the right direction.

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I just ordered the Moog upper control arms and other suspension parts from them. They are selling the UCA variant with Moog solutions grease fitting. Price was much lower than any other source I could find thanks for the reccomendation from this board. The web site easy to navigate and items were shipped out after the next full business day.

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- the UCA variant with Moog solutions grease fitting.
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Tell me more about these... got PN's???

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There appears to be more than one kind of Moog upper control arm out there. The part numbers for both are K8596 (left) K8598 (right). Carquest and RockAuto are selling one with blue ball joint cover and hole on the top of the ball to add grease. Several other retailers are selling same thing with clear? boot and no hole on the joint. As for why there are more than one kind of part being sold under the same part number I have no idea.

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Ok, you're talking about the uppers.. they are already done, and I'm not sure which ones I got, but Scott can probably tell me... it's too late anyway, what I got, I got.. Grease is nice though, I don't understand why they would even make any suspension parts that can't be greased... guess they just want to buy new ones every 5 years....

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I don't see any grease fitting on the lower ball jont. Is that something I'm just missing? I just replaced my lower ball joint with the Car Quest reboxed ones and they did have the grease fittings.
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The ones in the pix did not have grease fittings, but I have heard of other circumstances where some MOOG parts don't, and identical part numbers do, and who knows how or why. If you check a couple of posts above, the same situation exists with UCA's.

I sent a pair of MOOG ball joints I had laying around to someone to press into LCA's. I'm gonna check to see if those have grease fittings or not, I don't remember... Maybe the replacement ball joints have fittings, but the ones already pressed into the LCA's don't??? That makes no sense, but that wouldn't surprise me either...

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There appears to be more than one kind of Moog upper control arm out there. The part numbers for both are K8596 (left) K8598 (right). Carquest and RockAuto are selling one with blue ball joint cover and hole on the top of the ball to add grease. Several other retailers are selling same thing with clear? boot and no hole on the joint. As for why there are more than one kind of part being sold under the same part number I have no idea.

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I just put moog lowers in my mark, I got them from roack auto but I thought they were like 100 each. They should be exactly teh same part but rock auto is giving me the part number k8784 and k8783. I'm going to be pissed if I bought the same part and spent 100 more.......

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I just put moog lowers in my mark, I got them from roack auto but I thought they were like 100 each. They should be exactly teh same part but rock auto is giving me the part number k8784 and k8783. I'm going to be pissed if I bought the same part and spent 100 more.......
I don't know if the LCA's are interchangeable from the T-bird to the Mark.. I sure thought they were, but the MOOG LCA's for the T-bird are listed at $49.79 apiece.. they went up about $6 from a few months ago when I bought a set.

The PN's they gave you are the ones for the Mark.. The PN' listed for the Bird are the same as I posted in the first post... click the link and follow the menu...

I have no idea what the difference between the parts could be?? Maybe they just jack you cause it's a Mark, I dunno..

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I'm going to try to look into it. I'm thinking if anybody needs a pair for the bird and wants to wait an extra week I'll buy them, look at them and compare then send them along. If thy are the same rock auto and moog will get an ear full........they should be the same, 99% sure about that.

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I had heard rumors that MOOG lower control arms existed, with the ball joints and bushings pressed in ready to install. I had been able to find the replacement ball joints and UCA's, but was never able to find the LCA's. Out of necessity and thanks to Big Scott's tireless efforts to track them down, not only was I able to find them but actually I purchased them for $75 each locally. Here's the proof:



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Don't let the Car Quest boxes fool you they are MOOG's and MOOG PN's and if you look real close you might see the TRW stamp on the arm.

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i just receive mine last week and it come with moog's boxes and "the problem solver. it is in fact with trw stamp on the arm but it didn't came with grease fittings. the back of the boxes have the pic said "available with m2 technology" but once i open it and look at it and i wasn't happy because there are no grease fittings. my arm came with all the bushing and i was so depressed when i just found out that i didn't order any strut rod bushing!!!

so exactly which part number i need for the strut rod bushing from rockauto which is the poly one? is it the problem solver set?

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Most of the MOOG arms I've seen do not have the grease fittings. However MOOG also sells replacement ball joints, and those have the fittings. They are almost as expensive as the arms, and you have to get the old ball joints pressed out and the new ones pressed in. And obviously if you use your old arms, the other bushings are not replaced.

You might be better off without the MOOG strut rod bushings anyway, I know one guy who blew his out



and a few others have reported the same thing happening to them.

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Most of the MOOG arms I've seen do not have the grease fittings. However MOOG also sells replacement ball joints, and those have the fittings. They are almost as expensive as the arms, and you have to get the old ball joints pressed out and the new ones pressed in. And obviously if you use your old arms, the other bushings are not replaced.

You might be better off without the MOOG strut rod bushings anyway, I know one guy who blew his out



and a few others have reported the same thing happening to them.

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how bout 2 bushings in three months. Also, the bushings are thermoplastic and are supposed to be impervious to the agents in petro based fluids like ATF. I had a very small weep in my cooler line and it caused the bushing to fail. Along with the metal sleeve that miht be just a little too long. Preston milled my driver side sleeve down about 1/16th of an inch. As long as the bushing stays dry and the sleeve gets some attention, they should be fine.

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ca bigger spacer/washer solve the strut rod bushing problem???

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Most of the MOOG arms I've seen do not have the grease fittings. However MOOG also sells replacement ball joints, and those have the fittings. They are almost as expensive as the arms, and you have to get the old ball joints pressed out and the new ones pressed in. And obviously if you use your old arms, the other bushings are not replaced.

You might be better off without the MOOG strut rod bushings anyway, I know one guy who blew his out



and a few others have reported the same thing happening to them.

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I know this is a thread resurection, but my MOOG strut rod bushing for the k member side came with vastly larger washers than stock - it appears you were using the ford washers? I could see how this would cause a failure.

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I know this is a thread resurection, but my MOOG strut rod bushing for the k member side came with vastly larger washers than stock - it appears you were using the ford washers? I could see how this would cause a failure.

nope, thats the same washer that came with the moog kit. Its gold anodized and looks very different from the ford washer. Mine looked identical when they blew out.




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nope, thats the same washer that came with the moog kit. Its gold anodized and looks very different from the ford washer. Mine looked identical when they blew out.

The washer in that pic is not the same on I got -


The ones in my kit were WAYYY bigger of an OD than the bushings themselves.

Huge washers.


Moog must have enlarged them.

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The washer in that pic is not the same on I got -
The ones in my kit were WAYYY bigger of an OD than the bushings themselves.
Huge washers.
Moog must have enlarged them.
How long ago did you buy them? I put a set in about a month ago and the washers I got were the same as pictured. Can you post a pic of the washers you got with yours?

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How long ago did you buy them? I put a set in about a month ago and the washers I got were the same as pictured. Can you post a pic of the washers you got with yours?

got em like a month ago from rockauto

I'll take some pics - they are already on the car

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