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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2004, 07:30 PM Thread Starter
 
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Subframe connectors vs Strut tower braces

I've decided that I wanna start modding my 'Bird a bit, and the first thing on the list is chassis stiffening. I really don't know how stiff our cars are, although I'm pretty sure they're not as bad as a Fox-chassis car.

I've seen some pics of JL's bracing, and man that's alot of material. I'm gonna be using the car for touge and maybe an open track event or 2. The biggest amount of power I ever figure putting into the car would be around 250-260 fwhp, and that's if I do the Explorer swap. My budget for the bracing is around 150 bucks. So do I need all that bracing, or would some subframe connectors and strut-tower braces work? Also, which would improve the car's handling the most, subframe connectors or the strut tower braces?

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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 09-23-2004, 09:18 PM
 
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If you're going to do the suspension, I'd go with springs and shocks first. But I'd imagine that the subframe connectors would stiffen up the car more than the shock tower braces, for what it's worth. BTW, our cars have shocks, not struts. It's a common mistake, so don't worry about it.
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And you won't get subframe connectors for $150. You can get the front STB for that, maybe, and definately get the rear for that and have some left over. I would start with the front or rear first, or save some more money for the subframe connectors.
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Rich is right....
Start with the STB's first if you've only got $150 to use right now,and then to finish it off,a set of subs will do the job.
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That sounds good. I don't know much about which parts of our cars flex the worst, so I didn't want to brace one part of the car when another area needed it the worst.

So JL, how much would it be for 1 set of front and rear stb's, including shipping? I live in southern Illinois.
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That sounds good. I don't know much about which parts of our cars flex the worst, so I didn't want to brace one part of the car when another area needed it the worst.

So JL, how much would it be for 1 set of front and rear stb's, including shipping? I live in southern Illinois.
I'm not making any fronts right now,and dunno when I'll be making any soon.
The rear will be $80 shipped.
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Well let me know if you start making any. I'd really like to have one of those. But I know people have more important things to do in life than make car parts for complete strangers so I'll wait for a while till you can get around to making them again.

Just don't stop making them before I get one though
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I'm actually making them now-My friend that helps with the STB's is back from his job out of state,and he's ready to make a run of front STB's
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Cool. How much for a set of front & rears shipped? Could you type some simple instructions so I know exactly how to do it? I know this is a pretty simple project but I still want to take my time to get it right.

I assume the car needs to be level on jackstands to do this, and what point of the car would I use to determine if it's level or not, both front to rear and side-to-side?
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Yeah, I too would like to know how much a set shipped would cost. My '97 has the 3.8, so I don't know if that makes a difference as to whether the front brace will fit or not. Thanks.
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The STB install is pretty much idiot proof.
The front uses a couple of existing holes,and you also need to drill a few.It doesn't matter if the car is level or not-I'd just suggest it have all four wheels on the ground loaded.
The rear is a bit more flexible-you can place it on the rear shock towers where it fits your car best(and where it may clear your stereo,etc),drill 2 holes,and bolt it in.
That simple.
The front is only guaranteed to fit a 4.6L car-sorry,no 3.8L bars.
The rear fits any MN12.
Front STB=$150
Rear STB-$75
Shipping varies dependant on your address,and how many pieces you need at one time(I package parts in the same box for savings on shipping when possible).
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hey that sounds god to me too. JL i will PM you.
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JL,

I know you don't guarantee fit for anything but a 4.6L on the front STB, but is it possible average joe could modify your STB to fit around a 3.8/4.2L motor? I got a brother that is a millwright.

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Thanks for the info JL. Pm me so I know how to order one.
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JL,

I know you don't guarantee fit for anything but a 4.6L on the front STB, but is it possible average joe could modify your STB to fit around a 3.8/4.2L motor? I got a brother that is a millwright.
Anything is possible,and it's possible that it'll fit without any mods.I don't have any 3.8L cars around to test fit on,and have no desire to go find one or make arrangements to test fit one..
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I could make one for a V6, if someone can bring their car up here. I'm working on one for a SC right now. I'm not too interested in mass producing 4.6 ones if Johnny is making them again.
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JL...Are you still making the subframe connectors? Will these help out at the track much, or mainly for street driving?


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JL...Are you still making the subframe connectors? Will these help out at the track much, or mainly for street driving?


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Yep-we're making everything again.
They help everywhere.Solid track launch,and less flex for street driving as well.
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Rich95XR7,

Would a brace for a 3.8 SC be able to fit over a 3.8 NA? I'm not expecting a definite answer, just looking for a guess as to what might fit because I live in Indiana, so I can't really bring my car down for a custom brace for a 3.8 NA. I'm not even talking an exact fit, just something that would clear everything and still let me close the hood. Thanks.
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I don't think that it will fit, but I'm not sure. There are a couple OK TCCoA members that have 3.8's, and if there's enough interest in them, and I can get 10 orders prepayed, with the first of them being from Oklahoma or Texas, I will do them.
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OK, sounds good. I guess I will just have to cross my fingers and hope someone in your area with a 3.8 has an interest. If you do end up making it, though, I will be one of the first to sign up to order. Thanks.
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JL,

I am just starting to modify my 96 Lx 4.6 This thread has some interesting possibilities to start from. Do you have a web site or how do I get more info?

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Make your own subframe connectors.... I hope your good with a welder, and a tape measurer.. =)

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Can someone supply me with a good pic of the JL STB brace installed? I want to see if the 4.6L version will clear my engine (4.2L engine with either F-150 or Mustang intake)

Or if it wont,, it'll give me a good Basis on where to begin building my own.

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Does this STB clear an MAC cold air?

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Does this STB clear an MAC cold air?
I don't know.It clears the OE tube with a bit of room left over.
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I think Ii'll give it a try, but I won't be able to get one for a few months, so I'll buy the front and rear braces next time you make a batch. Thanks.

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