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Is it even worth fixing?

Well i have a 95 thunderbird with the 4.6. I have been noticing clunking and grinding throughout the front suspension. Took it over to the mechanic and they found that 2 lower and one upper ball joints that need replacing, control arms, driver side wheel bearing, and rear shocks. They quoted it about $1300 for all of the parts and labor. Now my question is should i even keep the car anymore? The car has 113K miles and i can see a new trans or trans overhaul in the near future with a new TC. I'm pretty sure the IRS bushings have been clunking since i got the car. Would it be even worth fixing knowing that i might need another $1000 worth of work in the near future?

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"Is it worth fixing?" Good question, and it'll always have subjective answers.

In my case, yes. Despite my kidding about having paid for this car twice (I've owned it over 8 years now), I still find it less expensive to maintain/repair this car than it it to buy another, and cough up additional insurance premiums.

If you're good with tools, there's a lot you can do yourself on these cars...try a search on the repairs your car needs, and see what others have said about them.
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$1300 to swap in new lower balljoints, one upper control arm, a wheel bearing, and a pair of rear shocks? That's crazy. You could do it yourself for easily less than $300.

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I agree $1300 should buy you a new frontend complete. As far as being worth fixing,well try to replace the car and see how much that will cost. As far as reliability goes we have very good cars, but like any they have their problems. All vehicles need front end,suspension and brake work. I don't even consider those things major repair, but I did spend over $1000 in parts for my suspension and front end
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is it worth fixing? In my opinion yes.
2 upper controol arms 2x 65.00 each= 130.00
2 Lower controol arms 2x70.00 each = 140.00
2 strut rods bushing 40.00 each = 80.00
2 inner tie rod ends 40.00 each =80.00
2 outter tie rods 30.00 each =80.00
2 moneroe Refles shocks and
2 moneroe refles stuts from
a-1 struts.com = 240.00
good spring comressor =40.00
your labor free. total 790.00

This is for a total front end rebuild plus new monroe reflex shocks and struts. don't get the sensetracks they are too soft. If you have the opptinuity I would pick up a set of sport springs or supercoupe springs and swap them out at the same time since the front struts require dissasembly to switch them out you might as well add springs.
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I have to say no on the monroe shocks, I like them on most cars they are just weird on ours. Don't forget the shock mounts they are always bad.
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i concour as well, fix it! d.y.s. ! the stuffs cheap and you still have a good car

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$1300 around here would get you a whole Thunderbird. You're being ripped off.
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$1300 around here would get you a whole Thunderbird. You're being ripped off.
A whole thunderbird that needs the same work.
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Is that the right price for strut rod bushings?? I dont remember them being that expensive.
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NO, that is not the right price. For the ones that connect to the frame, they are $24.88 each at Advance for TRW. And to the control arm are only something like $14.88. I need to do mine so I have looked them up recently.
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Quite a few of the prices that blown96bird posted are high, but then again, it is better to over estimate and have money left over.

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A whole thunderbird that needs the same work.
Nope, a good one. I unloaded mine for a grand, and a lot of V8s up here go for $1200-$1600. No one has much use for a rear drive car during the winter.
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Thanks for the input everyone. As for doing it myself, i wish i could. I now live in a town home with a one car crackerjack box that i don't even think my car will fit in let alone allow me to do any work. And i really don't have the time to do this between work and whatnot, and i also need this car to get back and forth from school. SO im just gonna take the hit and hope nothing else expensive breaks.

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hey at least try to find a cheaper shop

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Find a way to get that car to me and I will fix it for less than that.
I am just north of Indianapolis.
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I just got off the phone with a local shop that has my bird for the same thing. $1180. I told him to park it outside and came here to get the scoop on what it should really cost. He told me about $560 in parts so another $620 in labor? Can it take that much time?

But anyway, I'll order the parts and do it myself I guess.
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yes, its very intensive labor

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not worth it. sell the car cheap. too someone like me lol. that place is nuts.
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You have to figure in the tools required to do this job. Suspension can be a breeze or a royal PITA. Rust is the variable that makes a difference. Sometimes these parts come right apart. Sometime you cut them off with a torch and buy new bolts for them.
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get under there and check it out for yourself. Had a shop tell me i needed a new steering rack. All it was is a couple bushings that were bad. 61 bucks and a couple hours and its all good.
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Ok, here is what I was told. Ball joints were bad (I know the boots are gone) but I detect no movement and there is no popping noise when turning. What I do have is a popping noise with side to side movement which is why I believe the strut bar bushings (I think that is what they are called) are bad. Here is the estimate.

Left upper Ball Joint $125.76
Right upper Ball Joint $125.76
lower Ball Joint both $ 163.88
Sway bar repair kit x2 $161.72
Solvent & cleaner $13.00
4 wheel alignment $59.95
Upper control arm R&R $176.80
Lower Ball Joint R&R $176.80
Stabilizer Bar control link R&R $ 40.80
Tax 41.31
Total $1,085.78

So, how far off base are they? I did a search on here and found a site that had upper and lower Ball Joint at no more than 57.00 each.

Thanks,
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Ok, here is what I was told. Ball joints were bad (I know the boots are gone) but I detect no movement and there is no popping noise when turning. What I do have is a popping noise with side to side movement which is why I believe the strut bar bushings (I think that is what they are called) are bad. Here is the estimate.

Left upper Ball Joint $125.76
Right upper Ball Joint $125.76
lower Ball Joint both $ 163.88
Sway bar repair kit x2 $161.72
Solvent & cleaner $13.00
4 wheel alignment $59.95
Upper control arm R&R $176.80
Lower Ball Joint R&R $176.80
Stabilizer Bar control link R&R $ 40.80
Tax 41.31
Total $1,085.78

So, how far off base are they? I did a search on here and found a site that had upper and lower Ball Joint at no more than 57.00 each.

Thanks,

Those prices are crazy. Try http://www.rockauto.com
search the forums here for the latest discount code and you will get a discount for being a tccoa member. You are talking about strut rod bushing and you didn't price them.
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Those prices are crazy. Try http://www.rockauto.com
search the forums here for the latest discount code and you will get a discount for being a tccoa member. You are talking about strut rod bushing and you didn't price them.
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Alan, they said the strut rod bushing was fine. That is why I just went to pick up the car. Shame too, I really need it fixed and don't really have the time to do it myself. All I wanted was a fair price, but that one just didn't do it.

RockAuto was the link I found here and checked the prices. Great to have resources like this.
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