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ha i so win

I just found finaly why my car was so wierd with alighnments, and that i dont have a bent unibody/k meber but a bent strut so yay. Basically whatt happened was a year ago in a snow storm me and some ice had a disagreement and i bent my LCA, thats all i replaced, but today with the expert help of my teacher at school we found i had a bent strut, so i just got an excuse to lower my car

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What "strut" are you talking about?

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Wow, your "expert" help found something on your car that doesn't exist! Suppose he can fix that sqeaky muffler bearing and help you change your blinker fluid too?

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Hey I just had my mechanic change my blinker fluid, and let me tell you, that is no cheap job. The bill was over $500, mostly for all the labor it took him to find the blink fluid resevoir. I highly recommend it for anyone with a car over...lets see... 2005-1997...8 years old! You wouldn't believe the efficiecentcy and smoothness of my blinkers now. In fact, he modded it so my turn signals now blink to the beat of my music. On second thought, I bet I could make a killing with that on the import forums!
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170 dollars for the KYB's if price is a factor, or my 530 if i cowboy up and "git r done" and buy the big boys koni's, so thats why its kyb or koni or go home...if they made the sport shock it would be on my car


sir will, please, be respectful i hope your just joshing in all fun....but...
o man i didnt call it a modified macphearson strut setup, lets all crack on me, sorry kids but its not that serious...and yes its a strut, being FRONT you know, maybe youve been under your car a few times...

i use expert loosely expert meaning knows more then me, alot of people are experts in my book

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Trust me, it's a shock.

This has to be one of the most disputed topics of all time.

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A "strut" refers to any kind of suspension setup that uses a coil spring around a shock. Many people could refer to this as a coil over suspension also. But mostly the term coil over is used for small diameter racing spring on an adjustable sleeve. But both are the same thing.

It doesn't matter if its the Macpherson strut setup or not, its still refered to as a strut. The only difference on our cars from most others is the fact that the strut doesn't provide support to the camber of the wheel. Otherwise, the setup is exactly like a Macpherson strut.

I guess you could consider our suspension to be a hybrid of an A-arm setup and a Macpherson strut setup. Mustangs are the same deal, just in another way. They are a hybrid of an A-arm setup, but uses the macpherson struts ability to provide camber support while the spring is setup like an a-arms suspension would be.

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A strut is an integral part of the suspension. Without the strut, there would be no suspension. A shock on the other hand just helps control the suspension. You can take the shocks off our cars (you'd still need a lower for the spring mount) and the suspension would still work abeit VERY bouncy.

We have an unequal a-arm front suspension with a semi-coilover shock arrangement.

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Oh ya, I should mention that the rears are seperate shocks and springs. But after reading a little more, its so f-ing annoying how many people call the front struts shocks. THEY AREN'T SHOCKS ALRIGHT!!!!!
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How are they not shocks? How are they an integral part of the suspension? Explain this to me and I'll retract my statement.

If you remove the shaft from the shock, the suspension is not affected in the least. Neither caster, camber or toe would be affected from that change. You do NOT know what you're talking about. Period.

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WTF are you talking about? If I understand you correctly, then your saying the only "true" strut is the Macpherson strut. This isn't true, at least to my knowledge. Anything I have EVER read refers to a strut as a shock inside a special holder that also incorporates the spring perches. I guess in a way, its still a shock, but the correct term for it would be a strut. Remember, it is only the spring and shock assembly we are really talking about here, not the whole setup.
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A strut is a part of the suspension geometry. The strut becomes a pivot point of the suspension. Ours are not that. We do indeed have modified coilover shocks, but they are NOT struts. Our shocks are NOT part of the suspension geometry.

When you remove a strut from a car, the suspension loses ALL ability to move and keep the wheel/tire in the proper position. If you remove the shock/spring from our cars, the suspension will still move properly through it's entire range of motion while keeping the wheel/tire in the proper position and orientation. Of course it will not support weight without the spring, but the critical difference is that the shock has NO bearing on the geometry of the suspension.

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ford calls it a shock

i said strut because it a piece in a modified macphearson strut suspension
our rear our a short long arm suspension design

we dont need to keep going on about it, i said strut, so people would figure its the front

Sir Will i dont know if you where being serious or just playing around with your post i kind of took at as being rude

97TbirdLX, dont worry in engineer world its called a shock, witch is what it is, and yes informally people will call it a strut, as i did on a forum where specific correct terminology does not have to be used, it is in fact not a strut because of the same reason sir will explained to you about it

Sir will, i dont know if you meant to be rude to me but you came off kind of rude, but if my post came off rude i apologize i was lacking sleep and food at the time i posted

p.s. your definition of strut in your last post is lacking, the reason its not a strut is because a true strut replaces the UCA(upper control arm) in a suspension design, this is why the modified macphearson strut is called what it is, because we have a UCA along with a spring on shock combonation

and thats all we need to discuss, my apologizies for calling it a strut, i thought it would be an easyer way for people to know its the front of my car and not the back

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ya and back to what i said, ill probably end up with the cheapest combonation lowering setup, right now being in college high end dollar stuff isnt gonna fly well with me

im thinking KYB shocks along with the Vogtland 1.6" drop

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ya thats what the writen manaul said

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And while we're talking about correct terms, Our cars do Not have "posi". "Posi" is short for Positive Traction, which is a GM term. Our cars have "Trac-Loc", which is short for Traction Lock. Both Posi & Trac-Loc are clutch type Limited Slip (LS) differentials.

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uh?

ya those are just happy little names to sell the option that is "limited slip differential"

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i love the whole shock vs strut thing that happens on almost every thread. if im not mistaken my car has a set of both. 2 shocks in the *** and 2 struts up front. then again the only thing i know about he suspension on my car is that it does its job really well. nice and flat on the corners and firm through the straights
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well technically the design of the "shock" is a strut design that was used on an SLA type front suspension it is the same on Hondas and a few other cars where there is technically a strut that is put through the upper control arm and connected to the lower. So technically it is a Strut in the front of the car and trust me I know what I'm talking about.
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well technically the design of the "shock" is a strut design that was used on an SLA type front suspension it is the same on Hondas and a few other cars where there is technically a strut that is put through the upper control arm and connected to the lower. So technically it is a Strut in the front of the car and trust me I know what I'm talking about.
OK, for those that "know what they are talking about", please just answer a couple of questions:

If you remove a strut from a suspension, is the suspension still usable?!?!?!

UM... NO!!!

If you remove a shock from a suspension, is the suspension still usable?!!?

Um.... YES


Why do some continue to argue that the front of an MN12 has strut….WHEN THE MANUFACTUREER SAYS THEY ARE SHOCKS

I guess you guys know more than the Ford engineers...

Definition from multiple web sites:

Shock Absorber
Device that uses air or hydraulic pressure to dampen up-and-down motion of vehicle.

Strut Assembly
Suspension component combining shock absorber, coil spring, and upper damper unit. It replaces the upper control arm.

Gee, the last time I checked an MN12 HAS AN UPPER CONTROL ARM!!!

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I was wondering if now was a good time to gut the MAF?
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I would but I don't want to get called out for trying to sell them.
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I would but I don't want to get called out for trying to sell them.

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Well, alrighty then...

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