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Question What would be causing this

So that everyone can understand the circumstances, it was 2 degrees over night and 20 degrees when I got into my car and started it just a little while ago. After letting it sit and get oil flowing through the engine 6-7 minutes, I put it in gear and start down the road at a blistering speed of 28-30 MPH. (I don't hot rod my DD) After driving 5 miles or so, the heat gauge begins to move. I see this and turn the fan nob just a little, just enough to have the fan on, (very low) after making sure I'm not going to run into anyone, I look down where the heat should be coming out, and the air is stone cold. By now the car is up to 55 and has been for a few miles and the heat gauge has now moved to a point to where I should have heat. Now I'm thinking, Oh crap, I've got a stopped up heater core, RIGHT!!?? 23 miles and no heat all the way. I get to where I'm going, the temp gauge is in the right spot and still no heat. I changed the temp all the way up, then all the way down, then up once more and no heat, %&$# piece of [email protected]!# ford heater cores, I'm PO'ed can ya tell? So, I go into the store and get supplies before the snow storm hits. I'm there maybe 30 minutes, come out, get in the car, hit the ignition, and WTF, now I got heat.

Anyone got a clue as to whats going on there? The coolant is at the proper level. It got flushed back in early Nov, with new coolant. Even the core was flushed. No head gasket leaks that I can tell, and, she doesn't use or burn oil. She is a good girl, and behaves most of the time, but now I'm scratching my head wondering WTH is going on.

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I had something like that happen a while back, It ended up being what I think was an air pocket (really weird though, it seemed to come and go at will). It was an intermittent issue with mine and the way I ended up fixing it was, hooking it up to the coolant machine at work and running it through a couple times with the heater on and at operating temperature.

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Do BOTH of the hoses going to the Heater Core feel Hot to the touch ?????
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I don't know. I will have to check that if it does it again. If they're not, what do I look at next?

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

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Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

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There are 3 things that could cause it. Either a blocked heater core, an air pocket, or the coolant froze. A blocked heater core usually happens over time, so you would usually see the heat slowly start getting worse, and eventually you would have no heat, and also blocked heater cores don't usually unclog themselves, so it's probably not that. You just had the coolant flushed, so it should be good to those temperatures, but I would get a coolant freeze protection checker and double check it just to be sure. If it did freeze, then leaving it sit after the engine warms up could have melted the frozen coolant, and now you have flow again. But given that the coolant was changed recently, that leaves it probably being an air pocket caught somewhere int he system. If the air pocket gets to the heater core, it will stay there, and you will have no heat. When you parked and shut the car off, the pressure increased in the cooling system because it wasn't flowing anymore, and that forced more coolant into the heater core, which caused flow to resume, and now you have heat again.

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I'd bet that the blend door was stuck. I'd look into that.

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I don't know. I will have to check that if it does it again. If they're not, what do I look at next?
If only one hose is warm it would indicate a blocked heater core.

Ive never burped a 4.6 SOHC motor, only the DOHC and the 3.8 .. your information says 460 .. so which motor do you have in the Bird ???
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your information says 460 .. so which motor do you have in the Bird ???
I have four birds, 1 has a 4.6, 1 has a 3.8 SC, 1 has a 460 small block, and 1 has a 302. I kinda like birds, can ya tell? This and I have 2 jags, 1 chevy 4X4, and 2 bikes. My driveway is full, along with the basement. I rather like my toys.

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

There is great need for a sarcasm font.

Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

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460 small block?

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460 small block?
yes...its a man o war 351W based block....

I think a few have asked for some pics, but none have been provided......I would like to see a pic of the 460 bird...

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yes...its a man o war 351W based block....

I think a few have asked for some pics, but none have been provided......I would like to see a pic of the 460 bird...
Yeah, I know. One, I need to get a camera, two, I need to figure out how to post on here. I have read the "how to" on it but till I get a picture of the cars, there's not much point. I guess I need to change the listing to one of the other birds.

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

There is great need for a sarcasm font.

Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

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Yeah, I know. One, I need to get a camera, two, I need to figure out how to post on here. I have read the "how to" on it but till I get a picture of the cars, there's not much point. I guess I need to change the listing to one of the other birds.
its all good man........If and when you do take some pics, you are more than welcome to e-mail them to me, and I can host them for you.

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You're not too far from Alan (dirtyd0g) -- I wonder if he'd be remotely willing to get some pics of that beast for us...or one of the other Cincinnati area members....?

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its all good man........If and when you do take some pics, you are more than welcome to e-mail them to me, and I can host them for you.
That would be cool. Thanks man.

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

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Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
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... so which one of your 4 Tbirds is having the issue with the heater ?? The 5.0, 3.8, 4.6 or the 460 ???

Jaguar .. the other other Ford. I just worked on a 2004 X-type recently, I feel right at home under these cars.
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Holy $#!+! All aluminum 460...I must have it!

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... so which one of your 4 Tbirds is having the issue with the heater ?? The 5.0, 3.8, 4.6 or the 460 ???

Jaguar .. the other other Ford. I just worked on a 2004 X-type recently, I feel right at home under these cars.
It's the 4.6, my (DD) and the jags are 83 and 87. Pre Ford.

As for Alan, he's in Batavia Oh, and I'm N. Pendleton Co. and it's some 82 miles one way from point to point, there ain't no bridges close. Either go up to Cincinnati, or down to Maysville (that's even farther). However, when I get my tranny redone, I might be able to talk him into it.

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

There is great need for a sarcasm font.

Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

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I'd certainly love to see it

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I'd bet that the blend door was stuck. I'd look into that.
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I'd certainly love to see it
Are you telling me that no one in here has ever put a 351W into one of these birds? On this site? That can't be right. If not, just imagine a 302 in a fox bird with a carb on top of it. With the exception of a slightly taller and wider block, it pretty much looks the same. It just looks like a 351W with some shinny sh!t on it. And yeah, there is more room in there. 351"s aren't as big as the 4.6's. But other than that.

I really can't believe that I am the first to do this. These hill jacks around here have done all kinds of weird stuff to these cars. I got my idea from a guy that took a 351W block and a 351M crank, had the crank off set ground and ended up with a 409 engine, and everything else he used was stock parts. It was 425 HP and 400 FT LBS of tork.

Is it just me or do high school kids get dumber and dumber every year?

There is great need for a sarcasm font.

Map Quest really needs to start their directions on # 5.
I'm pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

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Its not so much that you're first, I think yours might be the closest one to me geographically and I drive through Cincinnati periodically so I may even get the chance to see it up close.

Not to mention its just a cool swap.

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Are you telling me that no one in here has ever put a 351W into one of these birds? On this site? That can't be right. If not, just imagine a 302 in a fox bird with a carb on top of it. With the exception of a slightly taller and wider block, it pretty much looks the same. It just looks like a 351W with some shinny sh!t on it. And yeah, there is more room in there. 351"s aren't as big as the 4.6's. But other than that.

I really can't believe that I am the first to do this. These hill jacks around here have done all kinds of weird stuff to these cars. I got my idea from a guy that took a 351W block and a 351M crank, had the crank off set ground and ended up with a 409 engine, and everything else he used was stock parts. It was 425 HP and 400 FT LBS of tork.
you aren't the only one.....we just like pics here.....also, here is a pic of my bird with a 351w in it...


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I'd bet that the blend door was stuck. I'd look into that.
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If you were driving the night before, there would be plenty of ambient moisture in the air inside the car. With the temps being so cold, the moisture could have frozen up the door. This happened to me last year, although with the blower motor itself. A couple seconds with a hair dryer cured that.

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It isn't that nobody has put a 351 into one before, I just never heard of that motor before, and I thought the largest you could go with a windsor block was 427. Now that I know that motor exists, and you can get it in aluminum no less, I will be getting one. I just need to figure out what I can sell to buy it. Anyone need a kidney?

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I'd bet that the blend door was stuck. I'd look into that.
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I'd bet that the blend door was stuck. I'd look into that.
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