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frustrated about power steering pulley

alright so im done with the entire PI and Cam swap and i just wanna test drive the bird. the only thing thats stopping me is the power steering pump pulley. how can i get the shaft of the pump to stop spinning while im putting the pulley on with a screw in the shaft. i cant get the pulley on the shaft far enough to keep the shaft from spinning inside the pulley as i tighten it on. thanks for the help.
iv already tried pounding the pulley on tight enough to screw it on but the shaft ends up breaking loose and spinning.

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alright so im done with the entire PI and Cam swap and i just wanna test drive the bird. the only thing thats stopping me is the power steering pump pulley. how can i get the shaft of the pump to stop spinning while im putting the pulley on with a screw in the shaft. i cant get the pulley on the shaft far enough to keep the shaft from spinning inside the pulley as i tighten it on. thanks for the help.
iv already tried pounding the pulley on tight enough to screw it on but the shaft ends up breaking loose and spinning.
I just did this, and the screw I used was one of the bottom ones that hold the alternator on (I'm saying that to make sure you have the correct size and thread bolt).

Also, I just held the pulley with my hand while I cranked the bolt in with a ratchet/socket. Once the bolt bottoms out (it wants to turn the shaft), take the bolt out, add some washers, then do it again. Repeat this procedure until the pulley is even with the end of the shaft.

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ahh adding washers ok ok I'll try it and hopefully it works

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alright so im done with the entire PI and Cam swap and i just wanna test drive the bird. the only thing thats stopping me is the power steering pump pulley. how can i get the shaft of the pump to stop spinning while im putting the pulley on with a screw in the shaft. i cant get the pulley on the shaft far enough to keep the shaft from spinning inside the pulley as i tighten it on. thanks for the help.
iv already tried pounding the pulley on tight enough to screw it on but the shaft ends up breaking loose and spinning.

You need the correct Puller/Installer. You'll never get it without it. Should be able to borrow it from AutoZone/Advanced, etc.

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but the installer just uses a bolt in the center right? I don't see how it would help with keeping the shaft from spinning while pushing the pulley on while tightening. it spins when the bolt starting to tighten on the pulley.

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on my 3.8, I used small vice grips on the tip of the pulley. NOT the piece where the belt goes, but the little piece that hangs off the front. I'm not sure if this was the best method, but it gets really old, really fast.

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You need the correct Puller/Installer. You'll never get it without it. Should be able to borrow it from AutoZone/Advanced, etc.

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but the installer just uses a bolt in the center right? I don't see how it would help with keeping the shaft from spinning while pushing the pulley on while tightening. it spins when the bolt starting to tighten on the pulley.
What did y'all not see my post above? Yes, the "installer" is just a bolt; it's removing the stupid pulley that you HAVE to have use a remover. I have put on dozens of these pulleys, and you just use a bolt! Use the one holding the alternator on - it's the perfect size. You have to shim it because the threads in the center of the shaft only go down about an inch. That's why I and you yourself said USE WASHERS.

Just hold the pulley with your hand. I really don't see why you're having such a hard time with it.

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I haven't gotten a chance to try using washers but I'm going to. I know what you mean and I am using the alt bolt like you said in the other thread along with when I mentioned the crank pulley. headed out to work on it now and hopefully start her up!




EDIT... using some washers did the trick. thanks again.

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I own one of these:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WMR-W87021

Because I've had the occasion to deal with two extremely stubborn power steering pumps / pulleys. I don't know if the shafts were slightly bent or damaged or what, but I went so far as to destroy several bolt/washer combos, but even using an impact gun and a lot of lube wouldn't work. The installer tool is hardened, for one thing, and has a nice bearing on it to cut down on resistance against the pulley hub.

It's designed to bottom out in the pump snout (note that nice bevel) and then using a two-wrench technique, you can snug the pulley right on. Of the countless (okay, I could probably count them) power steering pulleys that I've had off/on various cars, only two needed the tool, but when the bolt/washers aren't working, it's nice to have around.

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I own one of these:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WMR-W87021

Because I've had the occasion to deal with two extremely stubborn power steering pumps / pulleys. I don't know if the shafts were slightly bent or damaged or what, but I went so far as to destroy several bolt/washer combos, but even using an impact gun and a lot of lube wouldn't work. The installer tool is hardened, for one thing, and has a nice bearing on it to cut down on resistance against the pulley hub.

It's designed to bottom out in the pump snout (note that nice bevel) and then using a two-wrench technique, you can snug the pulley right on. Of the countless (okay, I could probably count them) power steering pulleys that I've had off/on various cars, only two needed the tool, but when the bolt/washers aren't working, it's nice to have around.
Thank you. Got such a smart a**ed response when I suggested it I just left it alone.

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Thank you. Got such a smart a**ed response when I suggested it I just left it alone.

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I wasn't trying to call you out or be a smart butt. That tool you pointed out is awesome; it's kind of a small version of the crank pulley installer. I like it a lot and I'm defintately gonna get one! I was just saying that putting that pulley on "usually" isn't such a big deal. Of course, I didn't take into consideration how badly things corrode, rust, bend, and whatever happens, but all these things and more DO happen, so I understand.

You gave a great response and i thank you because I learned something. Please don't ever get the impression that I am beyond learning because I make mistakes every single day and I am sure I will continue that path until the day I die; it's called life. Thank you for humbling me, Brad! :highfive:

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