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Has anyone tried these plugs out yet? are they even worth buying or should i just stick with the regular autolite plugs?

Any info on these would be great
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Don't waste your money. Get Autolite or OEM Motorcraft. As another, much more experienced member here once told me, unless you have a blower, nitrous, or some serious tuning, debating spark plugs on a stock 4.6 is futile. Personally, I use Autolite AR764's. I check them every 10,000 miles. See this thread.

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I'm runnin motorcraft platinums right now..

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Unless you have over 35-50,000 miles on them, I'd leave them alone.

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I'm running Autolite Coppers. Anything more, unless you have some power adders as said before, is pointless and a waste of money.

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Don't waste your money. Get Autolite or OEM Motorcraft. As another, much more experienced member here once told me, unless you have a blower, nitrous, or some serious tuning, debating spark plugs on a stock 4.6 is futile. Personally, I use Autolite AR764's. I check them every 10,000 miles. See this thread.
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I use those Autolites too!
They are pretty good so far. Little to no electrode wear so far after 10,000 miles. They are just white. They are lasting longer than I thought they would. I thought coppers were done by 15,000 miles. Hell, I had to open the gap by a thousandth or two on a few. While we're on the subject, anyone else's plugs coming out frosted white while running on 87 unleaded with the 10% ethanol mix? I'm pulling over 21 inHg of vacuum, so I couldn't imagine there being a vacuum leak somewhere. Besides, I replaced all of the under hood rubber tubes a little while back. MAF is clean, no codes at all. I wish I had a scanner so I can see the LTFT's and STFT's.

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I agree, don't waste your money. I had them and didn't notice any different than the stock plugs, power or gas wise. I even had to replace one because it went bad after 2 months.

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They are pretty good so far. Little to no electrode wear so far after 10,000 miles. They are just white. They are lasting longer than I thought they would. I thought coppers were done by 15,000 miles. Hell, I had to open the gap by a thousandth or two on a few. While we're on the subject, anyone else's plugs coming out frosted white while running on 87 unleaded with the 10% ethanol mix? I'm pulling over 21 inHg of vacuum, so I couldn't imagine there being a vacuum leak somewhere. Besides, I replaced all of the under hood rubber tubes a little while back. MAF is clean, no codes at all. I wish I had a scanner so I can see the LTFT's and STFT's.
My plugs are like that, too. I always thought maybe new O2's might change that, but the Bird runs great and gets good mileage so I leave stuff like that alone. You got a pic of your plugs? I'm running Autolite plats in mine and I'll get a pic of my plugs - they've been in over a year and a half now with about 15K miles.

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My plugs are like that, too. I always thought maybe new O2's might change that, but the Bird runs great and gets good mileage so I leave stuff like that alone. You got a pic of your plugs? I'm running Autolite plats in mine and I'll get a pic of my plugs - they've been in over a year and a half now with about 15K miles.
Yes, I actually do in this post. I did replace my original O2's about 2,000 miles before that picture was taken. My dad, an experienced mechanic, says it's because of the ethanol, which is causing me to run a little leaner than usual.

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haha thanks guys saved me money ill stick with the regular plugs when i go to tune her up in a week
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Yes, I actually do in this post. I did replace my original O2's about 2,000 miles before that picture was taken. My dad, an experienced mechanic, says it's because of the ethanol, which is causing me to run a little leaner than usual.
Those look normal for any fuel injected engine that's running properly.
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Even with a frosted white electrode like that? Guitar Maestro said it looks like it's running too lean like I have a vacuum leak. So maybe it's nothing to worry about for now? Either way, I'm swapping in a PI intake manifold!

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Even with a frosted white electrode like that? Guitar Maestro said it looks like it's running too lean like I have a vacuum leak. So maybe it's nothing to worry about for now? Either way, I'm swapping in a PI intake manifold!
My plugs have had that coloring every time I've pulled them.
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Spark plugs are spark plugs. I use the Motorcraft Platinum in my T-bird. I will however upgrade to Bosch plugs for my PI Teksid once thats finished but I am also going to be running a decent shot of nitrous.

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Spark plugs are spark plugs. I use the Motorcraft Platinum in my T-bird. I will however upgrade to Bosch plugs for my PI Teksid once thats finished but I am also going to be running a decent shot of nitrous.
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I will however upgrade to Bosch plugs for my PI Teksid once thats finished but I am also going to be running a decent shot of nitrous.
Bosch = junk. Just use NGK's or Autolites. There's no performance to be had and it really isn't an upgrade.

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Even with a frosted white electrode like that? Guitar Maestro said it looks like it's running too lean like I have a vacuum leak. So maybe it's nothing to worry about for now? Either way, I'm swapping in a PI intake manifold!
When I replaced mine a few months ago only one of them, passenger side closest to firewall, was frosted white and I think it wasn't gapped as far as the rest. When I first installed them I think I used a .60 gap but this time I think I used a .54 gap or vise versa. I'll probably pull them real soon and see how they're doing.

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I had about 5 years and 30k on my current plugs and replaced them along with wires and intake manifold. I ended up having a few that were 'white' pretty much frosted and some normal, and one that seemed oil fouled, but I probably spilled oil on the block and it went into the boot at some point.

Now while I was doing that manifold and chasing a cel for misfire, I could have trouble shot the heck out of the issue and than ordered the plugs and wires, or I could replace them, do no trouble shooting and know I have new parts, 0 aged, and 0 miles on them. I used MC plats and MC wires to replace MC plats and off brand wires.

When I did the job 5 years ago I noticed the plugs were same color coming out as going in. So maybe the previous owner did them recently, or maybe the engine was running better back than and there were less vacuum leak issues and seafoam treatments and no K&N air filter.

Regardless.... $35 that saves debate and gives piece of mind along with knowledge of resetting the clock on your plugs life is worth the $35 imo.

Now if there was no reason to pull the plugs and everything was running fine, yeah I would have kept using them until there was an issue than replaced them, but because I was already being told 'pull them and inspect them for coolant' it was kinda a no brainer to replace them once I had pinpointed the root cause of the problem and fixed it.

They probably still had life in them, but am I going to stake my engines life (and how it runs) on probably? They were most likely damaged from one or more of the issues I mentioned over the years and running a damaged part, especially after I removed it and looked at it in my hand, seems stupid. Especially when the part is cheap, and installation is reversal of removal. It's not like I won't torque down the old part, but would torque down the new part.

So yeah I use MC plats because I hate doing the job twice and I hate inspecting the part to see if it's ok or not.

Also someone mentioned that double plats are the way to go...... idk if it's true but my buddy told me not to do bosch double or quads even before I got here. I will quote him now because it makes sense.

'They claim to give you more spark and burn more fuel thus increasing fuel efficiency and hp, as if a single spark will not ignite the same fuel as much. if a single spark is not igniting your fuel you have a big problem besides debating weather or not to use double or quads. On top of that they pretty much want you to believe that your coil packs and wires are capable of a lot more spark and somehow by giving them more points to release that spark your making more spark..... No. Your taking the same electrical charge to make one spark, dividing it by 4 to make 4 lesser sparks... So yeah those 4 sparks together are probably as strong as your single, only difference is if one goes bad you have 3 more to take over. So yes you will not know you have engine problems as soon as they occur'

Made sense to me, not designed for our cars so why would they improve anything when the amount being put in is constant. Now if you got a tune and someone made sure more electricity was flowing to the plugs maybe they would work.

You could have replaced all your plugs and wires in the time it took to read this dribble :p.
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I have the E3 plugs in my Tbird right now and they have outlasted all the motorcraft(platinum and copper) plugs I have used in the past. They have been in for 2.5 years now with about 10K miles. I was just curious how much better they could be for spark and gas mileage and for the money also and so far I have no complaints. Hell I even have them in my 04 Navigator now and its running great also. Not arguing just sharing my experience with them. Everybody will have there favorite and different needs for them just like motor oil.

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