Favorite ignition upgrades - TCCoA Forums
 6Likes
  • 3 Post By MadMikeyL
  • 1 Post By moonshiner180
  • 2 Post By r429460
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-28-2016, 09:45 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
Favorite ignition upgrades

I'd just like to hear what others have done regarding ignition components.

I installed an MSD street fire coil, Taylor thundervolt 8.2mm spark plug wires, and E3 spark plugs all at the same time.

I'm sure part of the benefit comes from just having new parts vs old, but I noticed good increases in smoothness of idle and throttle response.

Last edited by moonshiner180; 09-30-2016 at 12:26 AM.
moonshiner180 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 01:42 AM
3rd Gear Poster
 
Draetech09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Anchorage Alaska
Posts: 179
I did almost the same combo with MSD coil packs, E3 plugs and Ford Racing 9mm wires and noticed the same increases. My exhaust even smelled different like it was a better burn when I would accelerate hard. I too had replaced worn parts but I know it was a difference from my original parts from when I first got my car and did a tune-up. A lot of people are going to say the parts are over kill and the coils are junk but not everyone has bad experiences with them. I'm all for OEM but I got a good deal on the coils at the time and they have been on the car for 8 out of the 10 years I've owned it. without a hiccup. The plugs lasted 5+ years also without misfiring when I removed them but I just thought it was time to replace them. Im on my 2nd set of NGK coppers since removing them but I expected that from copper plugs.

If you Fail to plan, then you plan to Fail!
I'll forever bleed Ford Blue

Drae
Draetech09 is offline  
post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 08:58 AM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
I've never been stuck on OEM parts myself, the only motorcraft parts I've bought for it are the gas and oil caps.

When I did the upgraded parts it ran like crap for the first 30 seconds or so, and took a good 10 minutes of driving to adjust to the new parts, really threw the computer for a loop.

In my way of thinking overkill is the name of the game.. I'd rather have more than I need than a possible restriction on performance.
moonshiner180 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 04:34 PM
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 111
MSD= Missing Spark Discharge...IMHO
beechkid is offline  
post #5 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 05:20 PM
Seasoned PostWhore

Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ
Age: 36
Posts: 7,430
Garage
Send a message via AIM to MadMikeyL
While those coils likely are OK, the OEM ones provide 80K volts, and never fail, so your MSD coils are at best a stock replacement, but more likely a down-grade. The E3 spark plugs are definitely a down-grade though. They are a gimmick, just like the "tornado" air tube insert. There is no advantage to that electrode design, in fact it slightly shrouds the spark from the air/fuel mixture, so they simply will not perform as well as a regular style plug. If you want to upgrade your plugs, get a set of Autolite or NGK iridium plugs. The taylor wires are likely overkill, but they are definitely better than the cheap parts store replacements, and if you want to upgrade your coils, put the stock ones back on.
beechkid, Grog6 and KULLER94 like this.

-91 Cougar LS, coming soon, complete overhaul with a 427" Windsor.
-90 XR7 5-speed black on black w/sunroof, MP2, coated rotors, double intercooler, 15%OD, ported heads, comp stage 1 cam, 85mm TB, 90MM LMAF, 80# injectors, and ported big valve heads
-98 Mark VIII LSC, Procharger P600b, TR3650 swap and 3.73s.
-90 SC Automatic rustbucket winter beater
-97 Tbird Sport 4.6 Nice weather daily driver
-"Your buddy Mike is INSANE!" -ClintD's dad
MadMikeyL is offline  
post #6 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
Coil* (3.8L) and my firsthand experience with all of the parts mentioned has been a smoother running, more responsive engine, and 1-2 mpg increase. Parts were changed 3 (+-) months ago.

I have used e3 plugs for the last 5 years or so and have never noticed a negative effect. Generally a smoother idle and a slight (1-2mpg) avg increase in fuel mileage. For $3-$4 a piece online they don't break the bank.

Last edited by moonshiner180; 09-29-2016 at 06:05 PM.
moonshiner180 is offline  
post #7 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 06:02 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
I have to admit I find the negative response to aftermarket parts puzzling. Is there any link to where an OEM coil is spec'd at 80k volts? I did not find anything on a search.
moonshiner180 is offline  
post #8 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 08:44 PM
5th Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 410
Send a message via AIM to steveg1988 Send a message via Skype™ to steveg1988
I have motorcraft wires, and platnium plugs, with accel coils.
steveg1988 is offline  
post #9 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 09:06 PM
2nd Gear Poster
 
KULLER94's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Marysville, WA
Age: 24
Posts: 111
Ngk V-Power plugs, motorcraft coils, and taylor wires (for the aesthetic). Runs exactly how it ever has no matter which part of the ignition system ive changed. I think its purely placebo for people who see gains on a stock or near stock engine, considering a stock engine was built specifically with the most efficient components.
KULLER94 is offline  
post #10 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 09:11 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
Nice. Well I agree to a point, but at the same time I assume that the factory has to be as cost effective as possible.
KULLER94 likes this.

Last edited by moonshiner180; 09-29-2016 at 11:56 PM.
moonshiner180 is offline  
post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 09:32 PM
Humble MN12 Genius
Super Moderator
 
XR7-4.6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Roselle IL
Posts: 16,592
Garage
Send a message via Yahoo to XR7-4.6
MSD - My Spark Disappeared

Factory spends more time and money just sorting out coils than the aftermarket does on their entire product lines. Really, if we're talking about old school distributor systems, aftermarket can truly be worthwhile supporting upgrades, MSD, exists today purely on that business. With the switch to powerful DIS ignitions by the OEMs the aftermarket became irrelevant, they provide brightly colored coils purely to empty enthusiast wallets and stay relevant for a little while longer.

-Matt
XR7-4.6 is offline  
post #12 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-29-2016, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
I can't really argue what's better because of the state of the old parts taken off... I just wasn't expecting the negative feedback.

But with no clean comparison (new OEM vs new aftermarket) I'll just be happy I have shiny new parts and the car runs good. :P


Oh, and the MSD coil for the 3.8L is 100% black, so no pretty colors for me.

Last edited by moonshiner180; 09-30-2016 at 12:30 AM.
moonshiner180 is offline  
post #13 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-30-2016, 12:05 AM
5th Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 410
Send a message via AIM to steveg1988 Send a message via Skype™ to steveg1988
I bought Accel because i needed new coils and i couldn't get OEM ones fast enough to replace my 20 year old ones. and it wasn't much differnet in price than OEM.
steveg1988 is offline  
post #14 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-30-2016, 02:42 PM
50 years of Mercury Cougar 1967/2017
 
r429460's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Davie, Fla.
Posts: 1,246
My quickest times were run with the original 1995 coil packs.

They are Still on the heap.
beechkid and moonshiner180 like this.

Quickest N/A Modular MN12.
1995 XR7-11.77 @ 113.29 (3537 lbs.)
01/31/18 PBIR
THE danner EATER
r429460 is offline  
post #15 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-30-2016, 04:10 PM
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Sachse, tx
Posts: 76
I asked my buddies that work at performance shops near mine. They laugh at E3. These are guys who build 1000hp cars for rich ppl, lol. They said ngk iridium are good. If your ac goes out, go with a motor craft compressor.
lcortinas is offline  
post #16 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-30-2016, 05:07 PM Thread Starter
2nd Gear Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Missouri
Age: 28
Posts: 64
It seems to be either a love it or hate it thing with the e3's. I ran the same set in my 83 Chevy for 4 years (and two engines) and they were great, and they seem to be doing great in the t-bird. I may try something else when I need new plugs again, but I haven't had any complaints.

So far the A/C compressor works great, but the clutch will need replaced soon.
moonshiner180 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TCCoA Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome