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90mm Lightning MAF Questions

Lol,sorry to flood you guys lately with all these ?s,I tried searching but find so much different info ..
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So now I plan on a 90mm lmafs upgrade for my 98 lsc, which is the best year mafs to use? Are they all 6 pin with the integrated iat? If so DO I HAVE to repin my iat into that mafs or can I still run my 4 pin harness and leave my iat wired into stock location? Oooorrrrrr is there a year that is a 4pin? I also don't want the slot style,what ever year that is..
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I plan on using it in conjunction with 42lb injectors,my exhaust ,upgraded intake cams and it will get a custom tune..
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You dont have re pin the stock one if you get the plug, I got one off of amazon from Michigan Motorsports. Youll have to find the the schematics to wire it in. I still have to do that my self actually.

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Mark VIIIs have the MAF buried in the airbox with an external inline connector on the outside of the box, The MAF connector inside it should be the 6 pin with the outer pins closed off like on MN12s. The Lightning MAF only came in two flavors, 80mm and 90mm, no differences between sensor elements, and none with IAT integrated.

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I'm not sure if a stock Mark VIII intake tube will cleanly except the 90 mm maf. I briefly used a 2003 cobra intake tube when running my oval throttle body and lighting maf.

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I think it should fit ok. The stock airtube actually is too big if you remove the stock mafs from the airbox..so hopefully the 90 will cram in,if not..egh I will make an intake
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Be sure to put a Blendercharger in front of your lmafs and do the air silencer delete for maximum benefit!

The throughput of the reciprocating blades when switched to HI are on par with the best turbos.



There's also the Torocharger. I went that route.

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I think it should fit ok. The stock airtube actually is too big if you remove the stock mafs from the airbox..so hopefully the 90 will cram in,if not..egh I will make an intake
The tube inlet is too big for even the 90mm, I tried it. There's about a 1/4" gap all the way around. You could probably use a small slice of a silicone coupler to fill the gap.

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I think it should fit ok. The stock airtube actually is too big if you remove the stock mafs from the airbox..so hopefully the 90 will cram in,if not..egh I will make an intake
The tube inlet is too big for even the 90mm, I tried it. There's about a 1/4" gap all the way around. You could probably use a small slice of a silicone coupler to fill the gap.
I figured...that's ok..
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Be sure to put a Blendercharger in front of your lmafs and do the air silencer delete for maximum benefit!

The throughput of the reciprocating blades when switched to HI are on par with the best turbos.



There's also the Torocharger. I went that route.

Man, you really can do better! Guaranteed 100+ hp gains!

Here's a picture of my set up.

Lol,ya???? 20hp more if the toro was flipped to draw the air in from below .
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The tube inlet is too big for even the 90mm, I tried it. There's about a 1/4" gap all the way around. You could probably use a small slice of a silicone coupler to fill the gap.
I used a large onion ring and cheez wiz to seal the gap.

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I used a large onion ring and cheez wiz to seal the gap.
I used that mod for a while, but the car got to where it wanted Tabasco in the gas, or it wouldn't run right.

After I found the TacoBell wrappers clogging the air filter, I completely replaced it, and I much happier.

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90mm mafs and cone filter adapter ordered..
I was looking at these 90 degree bend cone filters...would it mess up the airflow onto the mafs filaments ? If so I will just run a filter direct on it and make a coldair box.
Reason I want that filter is i can cut the stock opening under the stock airbox and run the filter strait down into the bumper area..
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I'd advise against placing a 90-degree bend just before the MAF.

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I'd advise against placing a 90-degree bend just before the MAF.
Ya..I will make a box then I guess.
So I wont have to switch any wires in the pigtail of the mafs plug?
Just tune,plug in and play?
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Keeping the filter in the bay and making a box is definitely the easier way to go. I have also see it advised that you not connect the filter directly to the maf. If you use a short section of tube in between the filter and the maf, it will help the air travel straight through the sensor.

But if you do want to try moving your filter to the wheel well- this is how I did mine. I just did it with steel exhaust tubing so I could could glue it with an available MIG welder.

It also helped that I didn’t have to work around any a/c lines.

I know that you already ordered your stuff, but I thought that one of the bigger issues with using the 90 mm maf was needing to do everything in 4” tube. Depending how you make it, 3 1/2” is a bit easier to lay out.
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Ya..I will make a box then I guess.
So I wont have to switch any wires in the pigtail of the mafs plug?
Just tune,plug in and play?
You need the wiring that goes into the airbox that plugs into the MAF inside. Should be plug and play

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Nice cai,
Ive made and ran a few like that my self..I always use plastic so it doesn't heat soak as much
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Personally, I would get the car running with all the new parts before selling the old parts. Then, if something doesn't work right, you can swap back to keep the car running.

And those "cold air" intakes protruding below the car are one puddle away from a bad situation. They have got to get a lot of road dirt on them.

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And those "cold air" intakes protruding below the car are one puddle away from a bad situation. They have got to get a lot of road dirt on them.

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I agree that puddles and rain could be an issue when running your filter in the fender. I plan on my car being used as only a fair weather car. As for road dirt, with the inner fender installed, I don't think it should get too dirty. But for me, the car will only see 5,000 to 10,000 miles a year in a good year, so if I need to change the filter every 2 to 3 years, I'm ok with that.

Also with cone filters- mine is a dry filter. I had a bad incident by over-oiling a K&N cone when I was 16 that ended up wasting a $500 tune session because there was so much oil on the MAF. Now I will only run dry filters. That one is an AEM.

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I did the air silencer delete mod which forces air into where the air box sits. I deleted the air box placed my filter there. Personally, I wouldn't put my air filter in the wheel well where my Toro currently sits.

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Why are you upgrading the MAF to a 90mm anyways? The gains are insignificant in my opinion and the stock MAF is not a huge restriction. The cost of a good tune and stuff will pretty much make it a really expensive mod with no real gains.
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Soooo.
What about am I looking to spend on an xcal and custom tune..? 150-200 for a used tuner and how much for a tune and who,through this site can I pay to have it done,and how much? Lol I really only prefer one of you guys doing it as you been there,done did that..
When it comes to these cars,id ask you guys 1st before any mechanic anywhere with no matter how many years working on vehicles.
Throw me a great deal on a tuner I can use x2 ,3 , 4 idc..just want it to put in the custom tune for the mods n get it on the road. If the deal is good enough I can buy it the 1st..

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Why are you upgrading the MAF to a 90mm anyways? The gains are insignificant in my opinion and the stock MAF is not a huge restriction. The cost of a good tune and stuff will pretty much make it a really expensive mod with no real gains.
If I can pull 5-10 Hp out of using the 90mm mafs and cone filter setup it will be worth it..
Lol didn't really need the injectors either but my buddy had them from a build that never started,mafs was superlow mile and injectors are brand new...plus might as well go big now Becuase I have been considering nitrous or maybe a cobra intake swap..id love to pop the hood to see a cobra intake..

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You won't see those gains from either
Maybe better top end power atleast..change the power curve possibly ?.
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Maybe better top end power at least..change the power curve possibly ?.
But the weight reduction of his wallet will drop a quarter second off of his 0-60 and probably a half second off of his 1/4 mile.

You're power curve will go from looking like a fat chicks tit outline to something resembling a North Korean ICBM arch.

I say go for it!

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Maybe better top end power atleast..change the power curve possibly ?.
No, that is a mispresumption that stock is a "restriction". Removing the grate from a storm sewer isn't going to magically move flood water in a greater quantity that the actual system is designed to handle, so is the case with naturally aspirated engines and intake "upgrades". A larger MAF only gets useful with boost where a much larger volume of air is demanded, and even then the 90mm diameter isn't even as desirable for airflow as it is to give better range to measure the airflow. And before you say "but NOS is a power adder, so I need more airflow!", nitrous is an oxygenator, i.e. it's an injection of the equivelant of boosted air. That means what goes through the MAF/intake tract on the juice is the same as it is off the juice. There's no benefit for you going 90mm, not with nitrous, not with cams, not with a Cobra intake.

This isn't to say there aren't worthwhile MAF upgrades, but not for the reasons you desire. Newer (02+) 80mm ones found on GTs and Mach 1s have improved sensor elements with much higher resolution to make the tune spot on. They actually fit directly inside the Mark VIII airbox in place of the stock one.

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Maybe better top end power at least..change the power curve possibly ?.
But the weight reduction of his wallet will drop a quarter second off of his 0-60 and probably a half second off of his 1/4 mile.

You're power curve will go from looking like a fat chicks tit outline to something resembling a North Korean ICBM arch.

I say go for it!
Well..I got go he injectors and mafs for my old sc off my impala I had so imo it was worth it ..
And my superchips tuner isn't aggressive enough..and since I was getting an xcal I figured I might as well throw on the parts,even if it just sounds better,it was better than having my sc collect dust and then I could sell off my stock parts for someone else to use ,since they are good upgrades for a sohc bolt on.
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Not to make you feel bad or anything.
If you have the parts already then I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Not to make you feel bad or anything.
If you have the parts already then I don't see anything wrong with it.
Well. Ya and no...I got the parts for an sc I had trued selling awhile ago and forget about until my buddy brought it up,lol so it worked out..
Only thing I have to buy is the filter adapter ,filter and an xcal.
Still looking for a used xcal..
I was look at a moates chip since I just want to plug it in and be done but I see you guys pretty much always run xcals.buuuut the moates is 200$ with a custom tune...so I guess it all depends on what a tune and a used xcal will cost ..
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