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Angry MAGER (s) Problem.....SC springs (used)....

installed in my beast today....the car is riding
at 9" from rocker panel to the ground.... I need
a step ladder to get into my 'Bird now - what
happened? They ain't gonna settle - they're used.
They are supposed to be the identical spring as
used in the Sport version of our cars.

Would anybody...especially Sport owners... give
me some feedback. I'm about to take them out.
I don't want to put lowering springs in my car, I
just wanted a stiffer "Sport" suspension along
with my new Bilsteins and Addco bar....any thoughts
as to what's going on......?

Any ideas, comments or help's appreciated...
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hmm, is it sitting like that all around? are you 100% positive they are sport springs? i cant imagine the bilsteins would make them ride that high.
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Unhappy I bought them from T-BIRDS281E....

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hmm, is it sitting like that all around? are you 100% positive they are sport springs? i cant imagine the bilsteins would make them ride that high.
and he said they were "OUT OF A 95 SC MY FRIEND GAVE THEM TO ME"...
so I went ahead and bought them. According to the MN12 tech
info chart they are the same springs as used in the Sports....?
I can't figure where I've gone wrong. The car's not been
driven as a new airtube's being made for my setup and it's
having to sit for now....
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does it ride high in the rear too?
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Not really - the car's actually pretty level, just
riding, what seems to be high. I'd sure like to get
some rocker panel measurements from a few Sport owners.

In the past I seem to remember that one Sport owner
did complain about excessive ride height - but that's
been only one person.....?
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hmm. im just wondering if the springs from the SC are the same as the sport springs. i know they were made to handle similarly, but the two front clips might have different weights and not use the same height springs.

i dont remember noticing mine riding particularly high, but it definetly wasnt lower than a regular LX.
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Right before I lowered my 92 sport, i took some measurements. I wish I had them with me right now, they are in Kansas City.

I measured from the top of the wheel arch in the fender to the ground, and if my memory serves me correctly...I think it averaged around 25 or 26" up. That is with 17" wheels with 245/45 ZR17 tires too. So add a bit more for 55 or 65 series tires.

Get up some pictures, we'll tell you if it looks funny or abnormal. I have some assorted pictures for you of my car with the sport springs...with the 45 series tires, it looked really really stupid. I used to tell people it was an off-roader



the above picture has 65 series marshmallow's on the SC rims.



AHHHHH! IT'S AN EXPLORER!!!

sorry, i hate that picture. It looked sooo awkward with the SC/sport springs.

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Dan -

Yep, I'm running 245/45/17's and thats pretty much what the
car looks like. I'll have to take some measurments tomorrow
and compare. Real shame, I realy do not want to lower the car,
but I did want the Sport spring's extra stiffness.....but not
at the expense of turning the 'Bird into a 4X4 look alike.

Your info pretty much tells the tale. It's looking very much
like I'll take 'em off and put the stock LX springs back in...
what a shame...they definitely are too soft...
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They are supposed to be the identical spring as
There are many types of stock springs...i've been told. Thats why they are colour coded.

That's also why you can't buy stock springs off the shelf at Ford.......you order them, they are made......and then you get them, so i've been told.

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yeah mine are the green tag J springs. I have seen LX thunderbirds with 245 45's and they looked as "off roader" as mine did. Maybe your LX springs have sagged alot.

Sorry it didn't work out for you. I loved the sc/sport springs too, but had to get rid of them for that very same reason. I lowered the car 2" and it looks alot better. I live in a town with very hilly and bumpy streets and I have not even come close to scraping the car. You should consider some Eibach's or other 1.5" drop springs. It's just enough to close the tire gap, but not enough to cause problems around town.



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Re: MAGER (s) Problem.....SC springs (used)....

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Any ideas, comments or help's appreciated...
Hey magerthom, this might be the best chance to get Eibach's, and take those SC springs sell them to someone else
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Hey magerthom, this might be the best chance to get Eibach's, and take those SC springs sell them to someone else
Yes, I suppose that's possible. Problem is: Eibachs are
too soft - I prefer a linear spring and, in addition, they
have too much drop.
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Yes, I suppose that's possible. Problem is: Eibachs are
too soft - I prefer a linear spring and, in addition, they
have too much drop.

Specs for 97 Sport(same as SC's):
Front: 349-403 lb./in.
Rear: 509-637 lb./in.

Specs for Eibach Pros:

Front: 286-411 lb./in.
Rear: 514-714 lb./in.

Man, I always thought that Eibach would be harder then any stock, I guess I was wrong
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Jamex did have the highest rate (15% more than sports), but they are no longer made and are progressive.

I know susp. Tech. springs have the highest spring rate, are linear, and the average drop is only about 1", not the 1.5" they advertise.

If you can't find spring that give you the ride height you want, maybe you should check into hydralics or airbags. Just becuase most people use them to slam a car doesn't mean you have to do that too.




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Cool

May I ask how you "know" the average drop is 1"? No offense,
but I just might make a buying decision based on your post
and I'd be more comfortable if the evidence supporting your
statement is well supported.....

Thanks for the input...

Oh, BTW - I am going with ART high flow cats and downtubes
and a custom, pieced, mandrel built rest of the system a la
the Japanese racer/builders.....I CAN'T believe I just said
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I know susp. Tech. springs have the highest spring rate, are linear, and the average drop is only about 1", not the 1.5" they advertise.
hmm, mine seemed to drop alot more than 1"
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Well, i wouldn't say that I KNOW they only drop 1". I meant that I know that they are the highest rate and are linear.

I have heard that they drop 1", and seen one car that looked like it dropped one inch. that was only a couple weeks after the install, and they might settle out to a 2" drop, or stay at 1".




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Angry This should be incorporated into "The Law of the Land...."

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I know susp. Tech. springs have the highest spring rate, are linear, and the average drop is only about 1", not the 1.5" they advertise.

Well, i wouldn't say that I KNOW they only drop 1". I meant that I know that they are the highest rate and are linear.

I have heard that they drop 1"...

The above bullsh*t is what Dom used to call A$$talking.
TCCoA damned near came apart because of this kind of post....
Seabass, Dom, KDanner, DanU, and others finally
had enough of people posting hearsay, guesses, and opinions
as if they were fact and campaigned hard and heavy to have
it stopped.....guess why they've left this board? Seabass used
to nail people on a daily basis for junk similar to the above...
too bad he's been so restrained of late.

The bottom line is simply this: If you don't KNOW something,
DON'T post it as fact.

If you DO post a guess or an opinion LABEL it as such clearly
and openly, so that others don't waste their time and money,
as I was about to do, based on what they believe to be
correct information, when in fact, it is nothing but a
guess or an assumption....
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just to add some real life to this topic, even though its probably not going to help Mager, but just to settle the whole ST springs arguement, compare this wheel well gap with that of a stock 96 sport. also consider that the tire-height is already an 1.5 inches shorter than the stock height and that i still have the stock sport shocks.

they were supposed to drop 1.75" and i think they did more than that.



btw, why are you so against lowering it Mager?

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Hi MagerThom;

As you may already know, I have Sport springs in the rear of my 95 LX, and stock springs in the front. When I took the original springs out, I put them side by side with the Sport springs, before installing them. The Sport springs were about an 1 1/2" lower than the stock springs. After installing them, the car sat at exactly the same height as it did before. (Level all the way around)

I have seen people post messages stating that SC and Sport springs were the same thing.

Also, if you are in an emergency, Dan Newman has a set of Sport springs (front) that he is holding for me. You can ask Dan for them, and I will let him know that he can sell them to you.

Hope this helps............

EDIT: The Sport spring is firmer too, than the stock spring. When I am using my trailer for hauling stuff, the back end stays up more, then it did with the stock springs.

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Jamex did have the highest rate (15% more than sports), but they are no longer made and are progressive.

I know susp. Tech. springs have the highest spring rate, are linear, and the average drop is only about 1", not the 1.5" they advertise.

If you can't find spring that give you the ride height you want, maybe you should check into hydralics or airbags. Just becuase most people use them to slam a car doesn't mean you have to do that too.
Negative.

Jamex are linear springs, also your comment about ST's isn't really entirely true, I've seen quite a few that got more than an 1", more closer to 1.75". Jason Marsh's old '93 had ST's if you can find a picture of it somewhere.

Jamex is what I am running.


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damn okcbird...thats what i wanted my car to look like when i dropped it...that may be even a little too low...my eibachs dont come close to that...and they dont make Jamex anymore???
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R-T, Danimal, J-Rob

Thanks guys (as well as everyone else ) for your feedback
and advice.

For what it's worth, the SC springs I bought had yellow tags
as opposed to green and I couldn'r read the codes on 'em. I
don't know what the different color codes represent. If you
look in the Ford service manual ther are A LOT of spring
choices listed, but you (at least I) can't corrolate the
info to a given car...other than the letter spring code
like "J", etc.

R-T - Thanks for the offer, but at this point I really don't
want to end up with another set of Sports doing the same thing.
Mine really does look just like Danimal's picture, so I'm guessing
that I wouldn't be happy with any Sport spring (even assuming
there might be more than one set or type).

I guess I'll be trying the Tokico's unless someone warns me
that they drop way more than their advertised 1.25"s. I assume
everyone's seen the spring info display at MN12 Performance.

OKCBird - Your car looks great, I don't think I could handle
quite that much lowering - I know me and I know I'd worry
way too much about possible clearance problems. Sure does look
sweet though....
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Mager, would you mind posting what you come up with? The results that you are looking for are the same as what mine would be and likely many others.
I know that I don't have the perf mods that others do, but I like Driving and I kinda have other things to think about other than buying a whole new engine.

Thanks all.
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The above bullsh*t is what Dom used to call A$$talking.

If you DO post a guess or an opinion LABEL it as such clearly
and openly, so that others don't waste their time and money,
as I was about to do, based on what they believe to be
correct information, when in fact, it is nothing but a
guess or an assumption....
You are right and I agree. It was not my intention to indicate that I KNOW they drop 1". That is why I made sure to clarify after you questioned. Maybe I should take another english class next semester

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Negative.

Jamex are linear springs....
Quote from mn12performance.com:

"Jamex-Sport Springs are of the progressive design and offer chrom silicon heat treated steel that is powder coated for a lifetime of protection. Jamex offers one kit for the 89-97 Thunderbird and it is designed to lower the car 1.50" - 2.00". The spring rate is listed as 15% stiffer than the OE v8 sport springs with a freelength of 17.00" in front and 11.50" in the rear. Jamex makes their springs in the USA and the average discounted price for the springs are around $125.00 and come with a lifetime warranty against defects in workmanship and materials."

Now I really don't know, as both you and Rich are well informed people...




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Mager, would you mind posting what you come up with? The results that you are looking for are the same as what mine would be and likely many others.
I know that I don't have the perf mods that others do, but I like Driving and I kinda have other things to think about other than buying a whole new engine.

Thanks all.
I have found a couple of places that manufacture springs and maybe they could make some to my specs at not too outrageous a price...
I sort of think it's doubtful, but I'll be calling them to find
out what the score really is.

If I (probably) go with the existing brands... I'm considering
Tokicos as they are linear and claim a 1.25" drop... I'd like
even less, but as long as it's not more, it's looking like
I've run out of other alternatives.....

I sent this too J-Rob, I'm SURE they could build me a set of
springs....if I had a budget the size of NASA's that is....

http://www.coilspring.com/autosuspension.html

I'll let you know what I finally do...thanks again for
everbody's help....
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The rear Sport springs I used have a green label. The part number is F0SC-5560-JA.
Unfortunately, I never took the numbers off my old rear springs.

The front stock LX springs I have are F1SC-5310-GA and have a white label.

The front Sport springs that Dan has for me are E9SZ-5310-J

EDIT: I think the E9SZ above, is supposed to be E9SC, but Dan Newman's quote has a Z on it.

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Anyone know any specs on Intrax or Sprint springs,
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Yo..

By chance did you torque the bolts down with the car jacked up? If you did, then the suspension is preloaded and will sit high.

Get some ramps, drive up on them, loosen the bolts, back it off the ramps and move it around some and then back up, retorque to spec.
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I do not really like the dropped look. I think you should drop your front and raise the back. Like a good old boy...


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