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Question Cleaning the MAF

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What exactly do I use to clean the MAF after a K&N panel re-charge?

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Hey all...

What exactly do I use to clean the MAF after a K&N panel re-charge?

Thanks in advance!
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pull electronics by removing the 2 torx screws, unplug it, spray the bobbins with windex, if its really dirty use a qtip and GENTLY rub it with the qtip. reasemble and your done.

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Yep -

Listen to Vic. And don't get all in a twist when
the "experts" start "advising" you to use contact
cleaner, dry cleaning fluid, brake cleaner, or
who know's what - don't use any of that crap -
use the Windex. It will do a perfectly adequate job
without the possibility of attacking any of your MAF's
materials. Oh, by the way, you'll probably be fed
some bullsh*t about Windex leaving a film - so let's
see - keep using Q-tips 'til they come out clean and then
use ONE more to wipe off any dreaded film (Yeah right).
Amazing how some people just gotta make something sooooo
simple so complicated.

Also, unless you've got a 1/4" of south eastern gumbo (mud)
on the filter, don't clean it very often, bad for the cotton
material and the K&N filters extremly well when normally "dirty",
just pick out the stray bug's wings once in a while and clean
it every many ten's of thousands of miles.
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Amazing how some people just gotta make something sooooo
simple so complicated.

yea you got that right.

Also, unless you've got a 1/4" of south eastern gumbo (mud)
on the filter, don't clean it very often, bad for the cotton
material and the K&N filters extremly well when normally "dirty",
just pick out the stray bug's wings once in a while and clean
it every many ten's of thousands of miles. [/B]

exactly i cleaned my pannel filter like once or twice in about 80,000 miles. every once in awhile id pull it out smack it on the ground to get the big stuff out and put it back in. thats it.
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Yep -

Listen to Vic. And don't get all in a twist when
the "experts" start "advising" you to use contact
cleaner, dry cleaning fluid, brake cleaner, or
who know's what - don't use any of that crap -
use the Windex. It will do a perfectly adequate job
without the possibility of attacking any of your MAF's
materials. Oh, by the way, you'll probably be fed
some bullsh*t about Windex leaving a film - so let's
see - keep using Q-tips 'til they come out clean and then
use ONE more to wipe off any dreaded film (Yeah right).
Amazing how some people just gotta make something sooooo
simple so complicated.

I was actually the one who advised that Windex leaves a film. And it does. And it does need to be wiped off immediately.

What would be the problem with contact cleaner? I think that it is important to keep an open mind to the possibility that a better solution can present itself. I think that I have learned that over the years.

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Why is contact cleaner better? What, precisely, is
it's chemical makeup? How does it effect the MAF's
materials? It may be fine, it may not. At best, it
may be technological overkill.

With something as gentle as Windex there are no
worries and any "film" is easily and instantly
wiped away with a dry q-tip. Simple, easy, safe.

If using contact cleaner is your preffered
method, then keep using it, but for many of us
it's use is an unnecessary, unproven risk. As I'm
sure you can appreciate, anecdotal, single experience
usage does not constitute proof of efficacy.

If, however, Ford, officially approves contact cleaner's
usage, then a convert I might be,
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Yep -

Oh, by the way, you'll probably be fed
some bullsh*t about Windex leaving a film -
Oh yeah, and please don't use profanity. You have hurt my widdle feelings.

Windex and I have major issues going way back to my college days and cleaning windows. The clear kind, not that POS that regularly shuts down my email.

No worries, it's just cleaning the MAF. Use Windex if you want to.

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i can almost garantee that 100% of the users of this board has a bottle of Windex somewhere in their house. how many of them have electrical contact cleaner just sitting on the shelf? not many.

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i can almost garantee that 100% of the users of this board has a bottle of Windex somewhere in their house. how many of them have electrical contact cleaner just sitting on the shelf? not many.
I have a few of them around from all my electrical dabbling, and I don't have windex, I use vinegar and water on windows.

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I have a few of them around from all my electrical dabbling, and I don't have windex, I use vinegar and water on windows.
That's what I use. Use a newspaper to wipe it on and newspaper to dry it. Works fanfrigin'tastic.

I believe I recommended vinegar and water for the MAF.
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You know, I have no argument, in concept, with using
contact cleaner - the logic for it's use is good -
it's in it's execution that many of us have a problem.

I'm really not sure how "serious" the film issue really
is and, if any, is easily wiped off.

If contact cleaner can be shown conclusively to pose no
danger to our maf's materials - then you have provided
a second, effective alternative to the Windex "method".

My reason for caution is simply that Windex, or something
like it, poses no threat to our mafs' integrity, and is
usually found in most households. I don't think any of us want
to put the hurt to a $100-$200 item by the use of an inappropriate
chemical.

All that being said: Is contact cleaner safe when applied to our
maf's? Does anybody on this board KNOW for A FACT whether
it is or is not?
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That's what I use. Use a newspaper to wipe it on and newspaper to dry it. Works fanfrigin'tastic.

I believe I recommended vinegar and water for the MAF.
I use.. get this.. an old windex bottle to spray it on. I don't like the film that windex leaves on windows, and never seems to get the water spots off. Whether it harms the MAF or not I won't even bother to get into the discussion.

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You know, I have no argument, in concept, with using
contact cleaner - the logic for it's use is good -
it's in it's execution that many of us have a problem.

I'm really not sure how "serious" the film issue really
is and, if any, is easily wiped off.

If contact cleaner can be shown conclusively to pose no
danger to our maf's materials - then you have provided
a second, effective alternative to the Windex "method".

My reason for caution is simply that Windex, or something
like it, poses no threat to our mafs' integrity, and is
usually found in most households. I don't think any of us want
to put the hurt to a $100-$200 item by the use of an inappropriate
chemical.

All that being said: Is contact cleaner safe when applied to our
maf's? Does anybody on this board KNOW for A FACT whether
it is or is not?
Absolutely right. That's a pretty tiny, delicate piece of electronics and you have to be damn careful with a q-tip, either way.

I personally, would trust the vinegar and water over Windex, that's all.
Now where did I put that scientific evidence...it's around here somewhere.


Maude (yelling to the kitchen)...where did you move my scientific evidence? S**t.

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All that being said: Is contact cleaner safe when applied to our
maf's? Does anybody on this board KNOW for A FACT whether
it is or is not?
Ok, I'll half bite on this one.. On the MAF itself? no, do we KNOW for A FACT that windex's film doesn't harm the MAFs ability to perform it's function?

It's used to clean electrical motors, thermostats, switches, circuit breakers... Electrical fires can be very nasty.. do you really think that electricians would use it if it ran the possibility of arcing or causing problems with the equipment?

Non conductive, non corrosive, non staining, non flamable, quick evaporation...

I even use it to clean out the expansion slots on dirty motherboards... used it to clean the connectors on the EEC...

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"Non conductive, non corrosive, non staining, non flamable, quick evaporation... "

Okay, you guys win.....Next time I clean my MAF, I'll
make SURE I do it right...Vinegar and water for
the first cleaning and contact cleaner for an
absolutely no questions asked second clean and blow
dry/evaporative final step....How can I go wrong?....lol

Your logic has overpowered mine. I cede(spelling?) the
point/method? It's good to learn something new every day.
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I guess I'm just the kind of person that likes to use the right tool for the right job if at all possible.

I mean you use a socket or wrench to loosen a bolt, not a pair of channel locks right? Sure channel locks might (depending on your grip and how tight the bolt is) work, but is it the best way?

That and I don't like to touch the MAF wires with anything since they are so fragile. Spray on some electrical contact cleaner and let it sit for 30 seconds or so and voila.

On a side note I have done the wiping the wires type cleaning and the electrical contact type cleaning and my super-calibrated @$$ hairs didn't notice any difference.

Also, vinegar and water on the MAF? eh.. that's conductive, I'll pass.

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That and I don't like to touch the MAF wires with anything since they are so fragile. Spray on some electrical contact cleaner and let it sit for 30 seconds or so and voila.

On a side note I have done the wiping the wires type cleaning and the electrical contact type cleaning and my super-calibrated @$$ hairs didn't notice any difference.

Also, vinegar and water on the MAF? eh.. that's conductive, I'll pass.


Glad to know vinegar is conductive. Thank you. Not to belabour this, but wouldn't it evaporate?

Contact cleaner is going in my toolbox.

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Glad to know vinegar is conductive. Thank you. Not to belabour this, but wouldn't it evaporate?
Never tried to run current through Vinegar, I was talking about the other 50% of the mixture.

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Never tried to run current through Vinegar, I was talking about the other 50% of the mixture.
But doesn't it create a whole new chemical composition, similar to the effect of the ingredients in Windex mixed with water to create "Windex". Or chocolate powder and mini marshmallows in Carnation Hot Chocolate mix + water = hot chocolate?

I'm not, and have never wished to be, a chemist but mixing compounds changes properties right? Wrong?
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I am sure it is possible that the dilution of water may reduce it's conductive capabilities, but would it be enough? It's been a while since my highschool chem classes (took enough in HS to not have to take any in college) but mixing of compounds doesn't always change the properties of the compounds. Case in point, the addition of the water dilutes the already mild acid, but it is still acidic enough to clean hard water spots.

And on a side note, I checked.. Vinegar (CH3COOH) is conductive.

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Damn, it must be late out on the other side of the continent. How do you do it?

Vinegar=conductive: See, talkin' out of my a$$. Well, maybe not, since I've used it, it worked, and now I know better. But as I suggested before, wouldn't the mixture just evaporate quite quickly anyway. Have to air dry it anyway.

I'm sold on the contact cleaner, just curious about things.
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Yes, it would eventually evaporate.. not in the 30 seconds or so that Electrical Cleaner would though.

And even then it is an acid, however weak, do you really want it sitting around on the bobbins for any length of time?

Stick a dirty penny in a small cap or bowl of vinegar and then check it in the morning and see what the penny looks like...

I used to entertain myself when extremely bored working at Arby's nearly a decade ago by squirting a little of the vinegar based Arby's sauce on a penny for even a few seconds and then wiping it off.

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Will it disappear (the penny)? Hmmmm...I need to spray some of that on my ex.

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Isn't Windex composed of primarily Ammonia and Water?

What gives the Windex its' blue color? - certainly not the ammonia or water.

I know that the cleaning ability of Windex has lessened since 10 years ago, when it would not leave as much of a film behind as it does now. What caused that? Probably some bean counter trying to save pennies on the cost of producing it.

While I agree with MagerThom and his reasons for not supporting electrical contact spray cleaner, I personally do not think it harms the MAF, but that is only my opinion based on having used the spray cleaner on various circuit boards and electrical components, with no harmful effects.


If I get a chance, I will call the manufacturer of the spray cleaner I use, and get their opinion on its suitability related to cleaning the MAF sensor.

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i can almost garantee that 100% of the users of this board has a bottle of Windex somewhere in their house. how many of them have electrical contact cleaner just sitting on the shelf? not many.
Matter of fact I got two cans... Sorry, I couldn't resist...

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Isn't Windex composed of primarily Ammonia and Water?

What gives the Windex its' blue color? - certainly not the ammonia or water.
Ammonia-D(r) as a matter of fact.

Hint, never mix windex and vinegar.

And soop, it won't completely dissapear but it will be eaten away at.

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OKAY Soop, you and SD win again!.....lol

I just took my LMAF apart to clean it for the first
time (8k miles).....

HMOG!....., pardon me...I wouldn't want to touch those
wires with anything 'cept contact cleaner and a can
of air...just about impossible to get at 'em safely.

I've cleaned a couple of my other oem maf's and those wires
were a lot easier to get at and rub gently with a whole lot
more precision than the LMAF's wires....with them I don't
want to be rubbing anything....

Forget the Windex, forget the vinegar (I think), it's
contact cleaner and canned air, only, from now on....
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Ummm...btw, you're a PostWhore Mager.

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