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Exclamation Hhhheeelllppp!!!!!!!!

ok now i am stumpped!!!!! i have a 89 3.8 n/a..

and my car isnt starting!

what ive found out so far...

1. all fuses are good!
2. starter is turning strong!
3.valves are tapping so timming chain is good!
4.Im getting fire in my spark plugs!
5.I have fuel and aful pump is working fine also.
6. Last night i shut the car off and it was running fine, came out this morning to my surprise its not starting...


so please please help me. im good with cars and i cant find anything wrong with it except it wont start!!!

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Does it appear to try to start?

Could be that evil thing on the distributer that always takes a crap..

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well its getting fire...

but its not sputtering or anything?
its just turning over

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See what your fuel pressure is if any.


change your fuel filter. who knows, its happened before.
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ill try to get a filter tommarrow..but it shiuld still sputter with a dirty one..

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yeah I know its a shot in the dark, but its happened to at least two times. Replace your pcv while your at it, mine kept me from cranking
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well see mine cranks its just not running...and im stumpped...

im try filter if that doesn work im checking pressure..after that ill double check to see if timing chain is still on...

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yes do check your fuel pressure, you can just pull a plug and do a compression check, if it goes as normal than I seriously doubt you lost a chain as the valves wouldn't be working.

I have a feeling its either no fuel pressure or some kind of sensor, you've got a distributor right? So I guess you don't have a camshaft sensor to check?

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EDIT: about the PCV, it turned over, by not crank I meant wouldn't start up, whoops.
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If the timing chain was off, I doubt that you'd even get it to crank.

What is amazing is that you are getting fuel and spark, but no action. Hummm...you are absolutely sure of the fuel getting through. Cause it sounds like the fuel cut-off switch.
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pump turns on and is loud...and smelling gas..sooo.....


im gonna check a couple things tomarrow morn..like throw some gas into intake...and change filter..because if i throw some gas into the intake and it spits en sputters...something is clogged..if not ill have to run thruogh some damn trouble shooting..grrr...

also it'll still crank and itll crank easy...just wont start..but i wore i head my valves tapping..but thats going to be the last thing i check....


also, how do i reset switch in trunk? my car neer came with manual???


and thanks everyone..

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If everything fails pull your computer our and inspect it. This happened to a v8 guy on here. His car wouldn't start for **** he replaced just about everything, he pulls his ocmputer our and the thing is black and smells like toast lol.
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If you are getting fuel and there is spark, the thing has to fire.

Do you have a cracked distributor, a loose coil wire? Timing off? Inspect all ignition circuitry. The computer issue that BB132 describes would make sense if the timing was being screwed up.
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one time my 90 wouldn't start, it turned out to be i tripped the fuel shutoff switch in the trunk. Just an idea.

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i'm checking everythign today and tomarrow...

what surprises me is i shut the car off thursday night...it was running fine all day...come morn i try to start and nuttin..just turns..

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your temperature sending unit may have crapped out on you......it's happend on a few cars that i've seen around here and usually is a few dollars.......it's worth a shot and if it's less than $10 i say pick it up,...it's something that needs to be changed sooner or later anyways.
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There is a Ford class action suit involving the Thick Film Module which is located on the distributor.(1" X 4" and Grey) This thing causes everything from no start to athletes foot....Your '89 doesn't fit into the recall category but if you have this module on your distributor, I'd replace it.
Here are a couple of links:http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-...39E554B7-prod4

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There is a Ford class action suit involving the Thick Film Module which is located on the distributor.(1" X 4" and Grey) This thing causes everything from no start to athletes foot....Your '89 doesn't fit into the recall category but if you have this module on your distributor, I'd replace it.
Here are a couple of links:http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-...39E554B7-prod4

http://www.tfisettlement.com/index.html

yeah that thing.. it will still produce spark but not run if bad.. trust me.. thats WHY i yanked my POS 3.8L

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dos anyone have a stick of dynomite?

changed pcv....
changed filter....

ok, and after i chaged the toothpaste module it crank like it did but it bumped once! and hasnt yet again..grrr

so toamrrow im going to get a hold of a fuel pressure guage, and if its my pump, im gonna scream......


btw, if your fuel cut-off switched is tripped, does the pump motor still run?????? If so, how in the hell can i reset mine???????????


pleeeeaaassseeee help, i hate driving my gofer car...

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btw, if your fuel cut-off switched is tripped, does the pump motor still run?????? If so, how in the hell can i reset mine???????????

Look in your trunk. On the left side you should see a label on the trunk lining. Attached to the fender body behind this lining is a small black unit with wires running up into it. There is a red button on the top of it about a half inch in diameter. This red button should be depressed. If you see red in the slot (you would know what I mean if you see it) or you can easily see the top of the red button, then the cut-off is active meaning your fuel supply is shut off.

Can't hurt to check.
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timing......

I had the same problem about a year ago. i had just hosed down the engine bay and when I went to start it it just would not start. The problem was that I had got moisture in under the distributor cap. When tried to start it it would not fire almost a couple of times but never enough to start the car. This happened for about half an hour. Turns out that that causes the timing to jump. Check the timing, if you have spark and gas it should start unless the timing is off.

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Yeah, definitely mark the balancer and put a timing light on it. Just because you have fuel pressure doesn't mean the ECM is opening the injectors either. To me, it sounds like your ECM has taken a dump.

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if it has im just going ot let it sit till i get motor done...but who knows...


and also i know where the switch is, but im asking how do i reset it? you know, back to supplying fuel to my injectors...

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well...i nailed her down....

everything has checked out good.

It could be that my timiing chain has slipped a tooth, making my vales 40degrees off.

My spark plugs are fouled somehow and its just not firing.

there is something wrong with my distributer.

Injectors are bad.

And last but not least my computer is dead.

i can check the timing chain easy as well as the plugs. injectors and everything else will be last..........

and all this happens when i need money the most!!

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