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Vacuum Line Replacement Article

I know this probably isn't 100% complete, but please check out this article I put together to help newbies and others out with replacing vacuum lines.

https://www.blueovaltech.com/mn12/va...eplacement.php

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I Like it! Im going to check and see if i can find some of those. Good job

The one that L shaped by the throttle body, it would be helpful if you had a zoomed out picture with a arrow lol. Visualy in my head i cant make out the location.

You forgot the Vac-Tee on the 94-95s, That was a mysterious leak that i just found not long ago after having my car for 2 years
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Thanks for the nice words. I will see what I can do about adding a "bigger picture" referencing or pinpointing things, that would be helpful. Actually, if I could find a diagram, I could highlight in color where these things are under the hood...

I have no experience with the 94/95 Tee. If someone is willing to write an extra sentence or two (a paragraph?) I could add that in and give you credit! Just post it up here or PM me.

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Thanks for the nice words. I will see what I can do about adding a "bigger picture" referencing or pinpointing things, that would be helpful. Actually, if I could find a diagram, I could highlight in color where these things are under the hood...

I have no experience with the 94/95 Tee. If someone is willing to write an extra sentence or two (a paragraph?) I could add that in and give you credit! Just post it up here or PM me.
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I got your note about the 94/5 T, I have updated the article. I also found an underhood diagram so I'll try my GIMP skills and see what I can do about highlighting hose locations

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OK well I got the diagram posted. If anyone else has any feedback good or bad, let me know. I'm hoping this will be the go-to resource when folks are looking to replace their old rotted hoses

--> https://www.blueovaltech.com/mn12/va...eplacement.php <--

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Nice article Swanny..

I'm surprised how many more vacuum lines the 4.6L MN12 has compared to the 5.0L MN12..

With just a handful of us owning a 5.0L MN12...It looks like one of us might have to come up with a similiar article just for the 5.0L..




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Just found another on my 94 if you follow the plastic emissions line coming off of the vac-tee. It runs under the plenum/tb along the fuel line, then connects to a hose that connects to the intake manifold. That hose is hidden and will be tricky to get to since you have to pull the line coming onto the intake tube and then that hose is touching the fuel line.

Hopefuly i can get it off without busting the fuel line. I think the easiest way would be to disconnect the Vac-tee, then pull on plastic line to disconnect it from the hose part and then disconnect the hose from the intake manifold.

And for install - connect the hose to the plastic line, fish it under the plenum/tb, connect the hose and plastic line to manifold, then connect the vac-tee back up.
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yeah, technically theirs two vacuum leaks back their... the main Tee on the passenger side, and that tube and elbow on the driver side. my elbow was sucked closed and ripped open, but the tee was fine.

never knew it was their either, thought i had an intake leak, which prompted my PI swap. then i found the issue. no regrets though, that aluminum intake is complete rubbish.

ill to take a picture of my intake on the garage floor and post it.



their we go.

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Can I use that pic in my article nail_one? So is that pic looking at the top of the intake from the rear?

So is the black part on the right of the picture the T? If so, I "get it" and can add that to my article... thx.

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have at it, and yes, its looking down at the top from the rear.

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yeah, technically theirs two vacuum leaks back their... the main Tee on the passenger side, and that tube and elbow on the driver side. my elbow was sucked closed and ripped open, but the tee was fine.

never knew it was their either, thought i had an intake leak, which prompted my PI swap. then i found the issue. no regrets though, that aluminum intake is complete rubbish.

ill to take a picture of my intake on the garage floor and post it.



their we go.
thats one good pic, that helps alot thank you. Confirms its going to be a pain to get to with everything in my way lol. Do you know what size hose that is??

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Can I use that pic in my article nail_one? So is that pic looking at the top of the intake from the rear?

So is the black part on the right of the picture the T? If so, I "get it" and can add that to my article... thx.
yep thats the T to the right. which would be on the left when looking from the front
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Thanks nail_one, TBIRD9491, I've added a note to the bottom of my article for 94/95 owners. Now if anyone asks for help finding the hoses, just tell 'em where to go

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Thanks nail_one, TBIRD9491, I've added a note to the bottom of my article for 94/95 owners. Now if anyone asks for help finding the hoses, just tell 'em where to go
Just checked it out if i can figure out what size the hose is, il let you know if my method works. either than that il say your page is coming along pretty good i like it.

I like the sanding method with the headlights. i tried it on my 97 headlights that i have no use for, i only did 1000 grit (all i had) later i will try with both 1000 and 1500. We'll see what happens, I did 1000 grit, headlight compound, polish, wax. turned out pretty good besides the fine scratches. Im guesing thats why you do 1500.
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not a problem, also its NALL. i get the whole nail thing a lot probably should have just used all caps in my account name.

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Doh, I'll fix that, whoops.

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Another excellent write up Swanny.
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Well Swanny my method didnt work lol



I disconnected the other rubber piece(other side) off of the intake maniold, by squeezing some needle nose pliers and working it off. Its a very tight squeeze Have to be careful not to pinch or break fuel line.

Then i pulled towards me by grabbing the rubber hose i just pulled off. Which came out with the plastic tube that goes across and connects to the T.

Install - Where the babyblue arrow is @ T i disconnect it there first. 2nd Connect the plastic tube with new rubber hose on other side of plastic tube already, to Blue arrow connection.

3rd fish it under plenum/tb along fuel line (pink line), 4th go on driver side youll see metal nipple sticking out thats where the rubber hose needs to connect. After fishing it under youll notice the rubber piece will be in view rite next to the nipple. Have somebody slowly push on the T , Till it hits the nipple. Put a finger underneath the rubber hose lining it up with tip of the nipple and have them push the T and it will slide on.

5 - connect the T,

Thats pretty much it. Easy bt a process lol, After replacing that and the one that runs by the airbox. It fixed this bad vibration i was getting everytime i turned the wheel when idling. Which some people suggested to change power steering pump. But yea its gone now, Next when i find time i need to fix the ones in the fender. From what i can see from up top and underneath there all cracked.
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yeah, one of piece i NEVER knew was their, is in the passenger side fender behind the fender well. its for the EVAP.



its just a little 2 inch piece of hose between that aluminum line, and that hanging black plastic one. theirs also a piece down the line under the car by the fuel filter.

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Damn these are hidden everywhere lol. Im going to have to check that one out, and try to find the one by the fuel filter. Any idea if it runs along the fuel filter or what?
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Well I'll be damned, my car has that hose too, I totally missed it!!! Mine is rotten!

I'll add it to my 2013 to-do list!

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I just recently saw those hidden in the fender well. Thankfully everything was still intact.
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Dang!

I know I haven't changed them; I'd have done that today.

Thanks!

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yeah, i only discovered them during my fuel line change for the PI swap. otherwise i had changed every other piece i could find, including the one by the filter long ago when i rescued her.

also, i miss my electric antenna... used to have it on my 90 XD

is it automatic on the new ones? or do you still have the window switch in the dash for it?

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So are you saying there's another short piece of hose by the filter too? In front of the filter or behind? I'll have to try to get a pic of that one too for the article (and change mine).

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yeah, one of piece i NEVER knew was their, is in the passenger side fender behind the fender well. its for the EVAP.



its just a little 2 inch piece of hose between that aluminum line, and that hanging black plastic one. theirs also a piece down the line under the car by the fuel filter.
I had a hole in the metal evap line under the hood. Ended up bypassing it with a hose. A vacuum pump is good for checking those things.
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is it automatic on the new ones? or do you still have the window switch in the dash for it?
Auto on the 96 Cougars.

But my Alpines won't raise the Antenna unless the radio's on, which is never, pretty much.


The 97 tbird has a replacement stick.

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